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uponit7771

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84. Sounds like someone needs to set standards and make people accountable, that's not union...poor lead
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:02 PM
Dec 2012

...leadership is everywhere

Does he watch FOX? liberal N proud Dec 2012 #1
Ingratitude is a modern American value BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #2
Have you read this? Might explain some of it Locrian Dec 2012 #3
There are lots of poorly educated folks in these blue Laurian Dec 2012 #4
I know teachers who hate unions. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #67
Unfortunately unions may be turning into just mutual organizations Recursion Dec 2012 #73
Teacher wanting Bibles in school maybe? barbiegeek Dec 2012 #104
Sigh. This is why we're losing on labor issues Recursion Dec 2012 #111
Yes it does standingtall Dec 2012 #132
Same thing with my rightwingnut brother. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #5
It sounds like you got answers when you asked them The2ndWheel Dec 2012 #6
I've been in one for about four years now customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #7
How is the union preventing recognition for good work? Laurian Dec 2012 #10
Glad to see your husband has it good that way customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #153
I get it. Hard workers get paid the same as lazy ones. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #18
I get it. hay rick Dec 2012 #37
Sometimes they do. Other people view it as a workplace thing. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #63
Hate to break it to you Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #45
No, it never was a union thing exclusively. It's a workplace TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #60
Sit around playing cards while other people work -- IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #72
Sounds like someone needs to set standards and make people accountable, that's not union...poor lead uponit7771 Dec 2012 #84
+1 nt rDigital Dec 2012 #89
and new hires often come in at pay they did not "earn" SoCalDem Dec 2012 #139
*boggle* "no intrigue"? Recursion Dec 2012 #148
I am enjoying my union pension..and I liked making $16+ an hour (retired in '96) SoCalDem Dec 2012 #149
That's also true of non-union workers who have "connections". And there are plenty of them. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #121
Truth. But when union dues are paid, you expect better IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #126
Not really sure what the union has to do with that Bradical79 Dec 2012 #158
A study I read about 10-12 years back addresses your issues happyslug Dec 2012 #28
The 90-day probationary period is important. hay rick Dec 2012 #41
And the 90 Day probationary period is a historical accident. happyslug Dec 2012 #87
Fascinating!!! IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #93
Very interesting. nt hay rick Dec 2012 #97
That's very interesting. SheilaT Dec 2012 #103
Thanks for the informative post. Incitatus Dec 2012 #105
And that's the problem with talking about "unions" in general. Different types of work... Recursion Dec 2012 #66
If the union is holding you down... hay rick Dec 2012 #34
Yep, go enjoy employment at will. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #91
When we get an economy back customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #154
Sounds like the company you work for has a problem, not the Union necessarily. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #39
Oh, it does indeed customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #155
Then your beef is with management. Union membership has little to do with how they perceive you. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #50
if you have "lazy" coworkers, you have a management problem, not a union problem. n/t Scout Dec 2012 #62
What should management do? (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #74
gosh, i guess they have no performance standards, no means of discipline. Scout Dec 2012 #81
Well, actually Recursion Dec 2012 #83
Evaluate, document and provide the proper paperwork! haele Dec 2012 #138
excellent post, thank you n/t Scout Dec 2012 #142
I just had a argument about this on another forum where most folks there are RW, not all but most Ya Basta Dec 2012 #8
Happens all the time union_maid Dec 2012 #9
Talk about biting the hand that feed you. Do you talk to her often? Does she think she or her bluestate10 Dec 2012 #42
Well, I figured it out. One time we got an extra year's vacation and another we got long-term SharonAnn Dec 2012 #120
Media brainwashing. undeterred Dec 2012 #11
I've had this conversation with people gollygee Dec 2012 #12
Another consideration regarding unions.... Laurian Dec 2012 #13
Maybe his union sucked? RevStPatrick Dec 2012 #14
You don't get it because you have not been a union worker. MrYikes Dec 2012 #15
Sound more like personal problems. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #110
If your union sucks standingtall Dec 2012 #140
Reading comprehension is not taught well at many schools. MrYikes Dec 2012 #151
It's truly mind boggling. RegieRocker Dec 2012 #16
I can explain: THE CORRUPTION. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #17
Kinda like political appointees...no Historic NY Dec 2012 #19
Yes, it is the same thing. My FIL holds politicians in contempt as well. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #25
Yes, there is corruption 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #24
You can say that, but the stories I am sharing are PERSONAL. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #26
my dad experienced the same thing at the phone company jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #35
I think the wedge issue could have been handled IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #98
If members pay dues they have a right to be represented. standingtall Dec 2012 #143
I was bargained for by a union for years 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #47
I have been "at will" for my entire career. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #54
Well, stories can also be exaggerated 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #68
The automatic assumption that my family lies IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #78
Sigh. I didn't call anyone a liar 1gobluedem Dec 2012 #117
I appreciate your clarification. Now, pretend they were telling *their* truth. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #118
Would you like me to share some local stories? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #95
Several years ago I was fired after two days SheilaT Dec 2012 #108
I had a manager honestly tell me -- IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #119
Yep, been there. LiberalArkie Dec 2012 #27
The stupid part is that "everyone knows" and nothing changes. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #30
I understand your reaction, however: olegramps Dec 2012 #31
"...allowing cronyism and outright gangsters to become entrench[ed]..." IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #33
Ok, none John2 Dec 2012 #44
I am sharing the stories my family tells about Unions. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #52
From a different perspective. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #49
My husband is management, and I agree with you. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #56
unions do have accountability standingtall Dec 2012 #144
Eh, where I live you aren't going to get in a union in the first place unless you know someone Fumesucker Dec 2012 #70
^^^ This (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #75
Yup. The results of extreme rarity. Bradical79 Dec 2012 #159
When I was in elementary school, teachers hit kids. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #77
The stories span 40 years. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #79
Why aren't you blaming management instead of the unions??? Really! No...really really? ret5hd Dec 2012 #112
Because the union people have to pay $$$ to get treated like crap IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #122
But you're getting MORE of a paycheck 'cause of the union. ret5hd Dec 2012 #129
My firsthand experience is very different from your secondhand account. hay rick Dec 2012 #133
It's a lot like the anti-vaccine crowd in a way. Geoff R. Casavant Dec 2012 #20
You got that exactly right! marybourg Dec 2012 #86
In florida (right to work) state Rocky888 Dec 2012 #21
my wifes union president is a teabagger.... madrchsod Dec 2012 #22
I have a cousin like that. progressoid Dec 2012 #40
Hate Radio & Fox News Doctor_J Dec 2012 #23
YES! progressoid Dec 2012 #38
A big clue is in your post: "He has a high-school education..." Yavin4 Dec 2012 #29
I have been on both sides..... Uben Dec 2012 #32
^== This. IdaBriggs Dec 2012 #36
just one of my examples MrYikes Dec 2012 #57
OK, but this means we need to FIX THE BAD LOCALS... Recursion Dec 2012 #76
There you are. MrYikes Dec 2012 #100
They don't get that without that union they hate so much they'd have died at their post. Arkana Dec 2012 #43
RW media Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #46
Fox News. Any other explanation is incomplete. Taverner Dec 2012 #48
My dues are about Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #51
Idiots libodem Dec 2012 #53
Basically, A Lot Of People RobinA Dec 2012 #55
Right to Work Issue DRS Dec 2012 #58
google "right to work" and find out what it really means putitinD Dec 2012 #134
all 3 of my brothers in law are like that Scout Dec 2012 #59
Maybe his local was incompetent or corrupt? Recursion Dec 2012 #61
As workers and unions decrease in power and influence, employers and management increase theirs... YoungDemCA Dec 2012 #64
Yes. The fact that the left doesn't get what turns workers off is a big part of the problem. Recursion Dec 2012 #65
"Being told to sit down and wait your turn when you're objectively better at the job Piazza Riforma Dec 2012 #101
I dunno, maybe working conditions, benefits and job security to start putitinD Dec 2012 #131
Piss on all that!!! I should be able to push that old lady that's been casheiring for 10 yrs... ret5hd Dec 2012 #136
There were 4 openings for cashiers listed at the time I applied so nice try with the snark. Piazza Riforma Dec 2012 #150
Your reply doesn't even make sense... ret5hd Dec 2012 #152
That is the power of propaganda nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #69
probably true, minimum wage and no benefits for everyone putitinD Dec 2012 #135
Why is it that in the largest democracy in the world, RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #71
Germany requires labor be part of corporate boards Recursion Dec 2012 #85
Hopefully he hasn't lived his entire life Yet. But let's say he worked at Ford for jtuck004 Dec 2012 #80
You are talking about "Pretty Willie" MrYikes Dec 2012 #92
Maybe he had a chance to do that _because_ of the union. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #99
Ya know, I was ready ta get all negative MrYikes Dec 2012 #102
I never mean to take away from people's individual, admirable achievement jtuck004 Dec 2012 #113
lol ,,, thanks. nt MrYikes Dec 2012 #116
There's always the few scunbags who want the benefits, but not the fight! dmosh42 Dec 2012 #82
It makes as much sense as state employees who avebury Dec 2012 #88
He thinks he has more rights than the union has fought to get him. ...Fool... The Wielding Truth Dec 2012 #90
I'm just so sad to make $30/hr and have Union representation. It just rages me to no end. rDigital Dec 2012 #94
Consider confirmation bias jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #96
I really really really wish you'd edit your post one more time MrYikes Dec 2012 #107
why do you believe racism doesn't exist??? ret5hd Dec 2012 #137
Wow, I don't know how I can live without your approval jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #160
I don't get it either ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #106
Without knowing the particulars Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #109
If you dig deep, quite often it's about race. Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #114
Many white working class would rather starve along with minorities Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #123
The Unions are the key to President Obama's progressive transformation of our country BanTheGOP Dec 2012 #115
What really gets you is that they are typically the most lazy aandegoons Dec 2012 #124
I don't know about other states, but in Texas we are a right to work state and we have lots of JohLast Dec 2012 #125
Wow Texas had right to work laws 40 years ago? aandegoons Dec 2012 #130
Texas passed RTW in 1947, right after Taft-Hartley Recursion Dec 2012 #146
The big problem is standingtall Dec 2012 #147
All he cares about it money Rex Dec 2012 #127
I've heard the same from union workers....... Smilo Dec 2012 #128
They aren't thinking (in answer to your question). One cruel legacy of McCarthyism and coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #141
They are called malcontents Major Nikon Dec 2012 #145
Weak-minded intellectually lazy people LWolf Dec 2012 #156
500$ per year to make 10k per year in additional income. Sirveri Dec 2012 #157
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