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In reply to the discussion: I am SICK of hearing Cave Cave Cave! Anyone else? [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)125. If you study your Political history,
especially the History of the Democratic Party,
AND study FDR's Economic Bill of Rights,
you WILL find something STUNNING.
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be [font size=3]established for allregardless of station, race, or creed.[/font] --FDR, Economic Bill of Rights, SOTU, 1944
I challenge you to find such a statement by a leader of the Democratic Party that predates FDR's Proclamation of Equality.
Everything that followed, from The Civil Rights Act to Lilly Ledbetter, were built on THAT foundation of Party Principle.
I agree that President Obama has some some good things, especially in the Social arena,
but in other areas, he has moved the ball decisively to The Big Business Conservative Right.
The Big 3 on the front burner now:
*Expansion of Union Busting, Anti-American Worker "Free Trade"
*Even MORE Media Consolidation before Christmas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021896902
*Final approval for the Keystone Pipeline
As cool as Lilly Ledbetter and the repeal of DADT are,
they don't come close to balancing out any single one of the above concessions to Big Business.
Its like he went to them and said, "Come on, you got to give me something,
a handful of beans.....SOMETHING I can frame as a "victory".
The "Grand Bargain" yet to come?
I don't have high hopes.
Raising Taxes on The RICH by an infinitesimal 3.5% is being framed as a Democratic Party "VICTORY".
Really!
....Historically LOW Taxes on the Very RICH will be a Democratic Party VICTORY?
Why YES, Alice,
You HAVE fallen down the rabbit hole.
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
[font size=5 color=green]Solidarity99![/font][font size=2 color=green]
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blind Allegiance to anyone is not critical thinking. If he supported raising the age of Medicare,
still_one
Dec 2012
#1
What I don't get is that Medicare cuts aren't in sequestration, so why would it be in negotiations?
JaneyVee
Dec 2012
#8
They shouldn't be. Problem is a lot of things we hear from the media are trial balloons thrown out
still_one
Dec 2012
#15
Of course Medicare cuts are in negotiations. It was part of Obama's initial offer to Boehnerrecently
Honeycombe8
Dec 2012
#62
Seriously? No Illusions about anything else? Do you even know the list he did first term?
sheshe2
Dec 2012
#117
Why? The first time, I was fooled. The second time, I was told that Romney was worse.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#2
Because of her gender? Or because she has a big "D" after her name? When the Miranda rule was gutted
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#47
Your statement would not have made any sense before the election. It doesn't make any sense now.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#68
You meant a future election? Then you should wait 4 more years before making more silly statements.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#110
I wonder if you could explain to me exactly how that works. With the opposition WAITING
patrice
Dec 2012
#11
There is disagreement and then there are assumptions about disagreement. I ASKED
patrice
Dec 2012
#31
I have criteria. Raising the age of Medicare would be "caving" in my book. We shall see
still_one
Dec 2012
#12
When the real problem is that the people doing the criticizing don't seem to mind UNDERCUTTING
patrice
Dec 2012
#17
Agreed, but most people you're talking about don't know *H*O*W* what they want is to be
patrice
Dec 2012
#64
I don't agree the idea of "cutting benefits (is necessarily) in the imaginations of the critics"
patrice
Dec 2012
#60
IOW every assumes we're all talking about exactly & precisely the same thing with the word: benefits
patrice
Dec 2012
#61
For some people we'd like to see Republicans compromise. For once. Just once.
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#70
True! Most people don't have a very good guess at all about how that whole process works,
patrice
Dec 2012
#76
You said "I will take your back". Are you an American and eligible to be a Democrat and vote?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#6
A simple "yes" would do. When there are people on this board who are not eligible to be Democrats
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#119
This is General Discussion, uniformity of thought has little place in real "discussion"
HereSince1628
Dec 2012
#9
True, but make that uniformity of anything, including lock-step BLIND contrarianism under
patrice
Dec 2012
#14
Some people, and maybe the most dis-empowered would have the strongest inclination in this direction
patrice
Dec 2012
#20
You say, "The MSM says the President will 'cave', ..." Do you have a link to support this?
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#67
Weird WilLIARd seemed undeniably worse. Pure lesser evilisim in probably a vain effort to buy time
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#26
exactly. "Because politics isn't religion, sports, or a fan club is why."
NuttyFluffers
Dec 2012
#88
No one should be doing any complaining until they have the final product in front of them...
Comrade_McKenzie
Dec 2012
#32
You are more than welcome. First rule of debate? Know how to spell, and....
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#54
Yes! I am sick of it! I've heard the M$M use this term when they speak of the POTUS...
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2012
#37
And I can guaran-freaking-tee you MSM does NOT mean the same thing by "benefits" as you & I do.nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#65
We have to figure out how to make ourselves relevant without abandoning our principles.
patrice
Dec 2012
#82
I was happy to vote for President Obama and thrilled he won BUT that doesn't
forestpath
Dec 2012
#59
If Obama and the Democrats do cave on SS and Medicare, you better brace yourself.
WorseBeforeBetter
Dec 2012
#126