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iemanja

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29. And any amount of carnage is fine with you?
Tue Oct 1, 2024, 11:08 PM
Oct 2024

One person was killed the Iranian strikes. That person was Palestinian, so subhuman according to Bibi and his defenders. How many lives should Israel take in return? Should it wipe Iran off the face of the map?

Iran saw those strikes as retaliation for Israel's bombing of Lebanon and Yemen. Israel saw its strike as retaliation for the Houthi and Hezbollah bombings, and those groups saw their actions as retaliation for the pager and walkie talky incidents, in addition to Gaza. Israel struck Gaza in retaliation for Oct 7. Hamas saw Oct 7 as retaliation for Israeli occupation. Israel occupied the West Bank and eventually walled off Gaza as a result of wars with Jordan and Egypt, which saw their actions as justified by their opposition to Israel's settling on Arab land--land that people who later came to be known as Palestinians lived on. The cycle goes on. You trace it to Oct. 7. Some will trace it to the Balfour declaration. The full result of it all is an endless cycle of death, yet you want it to continue. How long? To how many more countries? How many should die? You've indicated you don't object to trading of nuclear weapons because of the attacks on Israel, that retaliation is what matters. What if this all results in more Israeli death? Will that matter? Or is the goal war itself? Has it ever occurred to you that Israel's reactions might be making its citizens less safe rather than more? Justification is not the same thing as effectiveness.

I don't disagree that Israel has a right to defend itself, but it's getting out of control, and the USA is getting pulled into it. If the terrorists, Israel and Iran want to wipe themselves out, I can't stop them, and it seems that the US' diplomatic efforts can't stop them either. But It's another thing to do that with US financial and diplomatic, and possibly even military, support. That I vehemently object to.

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I wish the people living in the apartments would not allow the jimfields33 Oct 2024 #1
Sarcasm, I presume? onandup Oct 2024 #2
I wish they could do something. jimfields33 Oct 2024 #3
It destroyed several high rise apartment buildings onandup Oct 2024 #6
Tough situation. jimfields33 Oct 2024 #7
Right iemanja Oct 2024 #17
Terrorists certainly don't. That's who I blame solely. jimfields33 Oct 2024 #20
Well, that won't matter iemanja Oct 2024 #21
Who knows what will happen. I do know Israel can't just say, "oh cool 150 bombs from Iran just arrived". jimfields33 Oct 2024 #24
And any amount of carnage is fine with you? iemanja Oct 2024 #29
Kill for peace! Klarkashton Oct 2024 #26
Did I miss the part Mountainguy Oct 2024 #4
Details, details, sarisataka Oct 2024 #8
+1. legitimate targets stopdiggin Oct 2024 #10
The tweet explicitly states the reason was civilian casualties onandup Oct 2024 #12
Are you serious? Mountainguy Oct 2024 #13
Hmmm....tough to think of an example. Let me ask my Japanese friend. I'll be right back. CincyDem Oct 2024 #28
The Tweet is simply a lie from the get go. Jk23 Oct 2024 #23
Some leave out important background info and Context.. Cha Oct 2024 #25
Just their bad luck I guess FullySupportDems Oct 2024 #5
people in your neighborhood are lobbing missiles (daily)? stopdiggin Oct 2024 #9
Yes, that is my point FullySupportDems Oct 2024 #14
so when the terrorists go to ground in your neighborhood stopdiggin Oct 2024 #15
Like I said originally, just bad luck then FullySupportDems Oct 2024 #22
to a degree, yes. stopdiggin Oct 2024 #30
Yes, but it doesn't sound good when you say it out loud FullySupportDems Oct 2024 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Oct 2024 #19
2 different situations. And we did many other attacks JI7 Oct 2024 #11
Pakistan has nuclear weapons Johonny Oct 2024 #16
Remember the fringe left shitting on Obama for using drones? nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #18
Oh yeah. Cha Oct 2024 #27
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