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Is male on male violence a feminist issue? [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 OP
No, it is not a feminist issue. boston bean Dec 2012 #1
i tend to agree. i dont see people expecting the NAACP to care La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #4
Inevitably this discussion will lead to boston bean Dec 2012 #9
You are correct obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #175
no, it is not about "caring about women's issues" hfojvt Dec 2012 #214
This message was self-deleted by its author dsc Dec 2012 #10
control over your body it is not "pretty much" a non issue to any woman. bettyellen Dec 2012 #25
You are exactly right. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #32
Abortion rights are an issue for any woman, for the reasons you mention. Women get pregnant. yardwork Dec 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author dsc Dec 2012 #39
This is just not true. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author dsc Dec 2012 #48
You know, there are many,many women who have no sufrommich Dec 2012 #51
Interesting mindset, No? DURHAM D Dec 2012 #53
I am so sorry dsc Dec 2012 #56
DurhamD and I are lesbians, as you know. yardwork Dec 2012 #62
Yardie and DurhamD are lesbians, which you HAVE to know obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #179
Gay or straight,the implication is that women support sufrommich Dec 2012 #184
I was thinking about postmenupausal women a sec ago obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #185
So is the poster on record as anti-choice? nt DURHAM D Dec 2012 #189
Did he ever come back to answer these questions? Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #191
I don't know, I've been offline obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #193
I think it's a good thing I missed all of this "live" obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #177
It was really shocking DURHAM D Dec 2012 #188
I don't even know what to say to you. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #52
Whoa. Did dsc really say that? JackBeck Dec 2012 #69
I am stunned by the post something just sent me obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #180
The self-deleted post by dsc in essence says the same thing as Lumberjack Jeff's post downthread yardwork Dec 2012 #83
it's a terribly selfish world view- and beyond that- what are those two doing about violence against bettyellen Dec 2012 #91
It's possible that I'm misunderstanding them but it's difficult to converse with self-deleters. yardwork Dec 2012 #92
I'm not convinced these guys want to advocate against any kind of violence..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #116
wtf -- who even thinks like that?! obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #181
Uh. I have one person on ignore and I'm glad I do. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #186
I don't know what the deleted post said obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #195
It's better to talk to me if you take issue with something I said. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #218
I cannot believe the deleted post said that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #176
Yep, it assumed that only lesbians who were raped cared. Such ignorance! bettyellen Dec 2012 #228
I'm actually speechless. yardwork Dec 2012 #45
I'm not- it follows that he thinks since *some* men like himself probably, care less about bettyellen Dec 2012 #78
sorry I forgot dsc Dec 2012 #54
actually i was about to ask, i couldnt find much info La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #55
among other things they count dsc Dec 2012 #57
thanks dsc. that's super helpful info La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #58
Perhaps this will be helpful. DURHAM D Dec 2012 #63
Thanks -- was going to post this obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #172
Just want to point out that this comes across boston bean Dec 2012 #64
we were explaining to YOU, that lesbians have greatly helped out their straight sisters, so wtf bettyellen Dec 2012 #80
Opposing all violence against people Riftaxe Dec 2012 #162
Why couldn't it be a feminist issue? Threedifferentones Dec 2012 #165
what? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #170
I think violence in general is an issue for ALL humanity. alp227 Dec 2012 #249
by definition, no arely staircase Dec 2012 #2
To me, it's all pretty much in the same bucket, violence. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #3
except public violence and private violence La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #5
Yep, m/m, f/f, m/f = domestic violence. RKP5637 Dec 2012 #8
right, but should feminists and womens rights orgs La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #11
I generally think of domestic violence as relationship violence for lack of RKP5637 Dec 2012 #20
Making an occasional comment on a message board is not "active involvement". nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #140
Why not? Sadiedog Dec 2012 #163
You got that right. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #71
Still lots of foot dragging and moving backwards at the state level, too. yardwork Dec 2012 #81
I think most feminists already come out against male on male violence. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #6
WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ??!?? is 99% of the time a deflection Recursion Dec 2012 #7
this is correct. And maybe some lazy piggybacking- expecting us to do the advocacy for them? bettyellen Dec 2012 #34
I guess this depends on how one wants to define the word "feminism." ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #12
Most feminists care about all violence. boston bean Dec 2012 #14
I wasn't trying to say feminists don't care about all violence, I was just saying ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #27
That's true. And I don't see a problem with that. boston bean Dec 2012 #28
I also don't see a problem with it. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #50
Want you to know I wasn't boston bean Dec 2012 #61
Good points. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #68
Well all violations isn't right no matter who is doing it. We all should care and southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #13
I can feel safe in saying feminists oppose all violence. boston bean Dec 2012 #17
The irony is that what public awareness there is thucythucy Dec 2012 #15
Actually, I think women ought to care about M/M violence. The reason Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #16
women ought to care about doese not per se equal feminist arely staircase Dec 2012 #19
well put. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #22
I would say it depends on how you define a feminist issue. antigone382 Dec 2012 #151
As an old feminist, I am in agreement with your point. CTyankee Dec 2012 #65
This is exactly right! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #142
Yes! Well put! Sadiedog Dec 2012 #164
No ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #18
It is a human issue .... etherealtruth Dec 2012 #21
but are all human issues feminist issues? like, global warming is a serious La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #33
In a sense they are .... etherealtruth Dec 2012 #75
It is when the woman goes home with the winner of the fight. dogknob Dec 2012 #23
Perhaps it is not, but all violence is an issue for all people. MineralMan Dec 2012 #24
i agree. all people though is not a feminist issue per se La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #30
Yes. There are many issues that are issues for all of us. MineralMan Dec 2012 #41
I agree with you. Let the men's rights' groups protest male on male violence. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #26
No, it is not an issue for feminism to address. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #29
I think that violence is a feminist issue because it is related to patriarchy. yardwork Dec 2012 #35
ok, so policy and action wise, what should feminists do? La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #36
What we do. Activism for progressive causes. yardwork Dec 2012 #38
Those are positive by products of the successes of issues feminists work for. boston bean Dec 2012 #43
Anybody criticizing any other group for not doing enough yardwork Dec 2012 #46
I can agree with that. boston bean Dec 2012 #47
What I have always said is that feminism is humanism and you can't separate the two. CTyankee Dec 2012 #72
i am all for standing with men when they speak out about this. as a mama of two boys, seabeyond Dec 2012 #37
I raised a son with those values, seabeyond, and I know well what you mean. CTyankee Dec 2012 #74
and that is why i do not buy into "all men are violent, in their DNA" the majority are not. seabeyond Dec 2012 #86
They're only tangentially related Prism Dec 2012 #40
I think it depends on what is being discussed Major Nikon Dec 2012 #44
It could be, because the idea of "winning" or solving conflicts by violence treestar Dec 2012 #49
Both are subcategories of human rights issues Dash87 Dec 2012 #59
It seems like a lot of male on male violence is intended to put the victim in the female role. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #60
stick with the main focus mercuryblues Dec 2012 #66
Nicely put! Moonwalk Dec 2012 #125
No. JoeyT Dec 2012 #67
Don't know if it's a feminist issue... one_voice Dec 2012 #70
It's a human issue and should be the discourse arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #73
No. It is a human issue. nt madinmaryland Dec 2012 #76
Of course not. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #77
why do you think that male advocacy against violence is so unpopular and ineffective? bettyellen Dec 2012 #82
Two reasons: lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #87
I asked why men aren't more frequently or effectively advocating against violence? bettyellen Dec 2012 #90
Don't get confused. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #97
Are you criticizing feminism for focusing on violence perpetrated by men against women? nt boston bean Dec 2012 #101
No, I'm criticizing some feminists who try to pretend otherwise. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #103
you think feminists "pretend" what exactly? nt boston bean Dec 2012 #146
I said some feminists pretend that feminism is about equality. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #156
You appear to be blaming women for men not doing enough about this? I hope I'm confused... bettyellen Dec 2012 #104
You are. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #120
That is because you believe men are oppressed and women boston bean Dec 2012 #121
The words in my mouth? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #133
My apologies, consider iy as it was meant. boston bean Dec 2012 #135
I reserve the word "oppressed" for the truly disenfranchised. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #143
The pretense appears to be that you care about the issue bettyellen Dec 2012 #168
It takes a superhuman effort to move the ball one inch lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #171
Men's rights groups are NOT widely advocating bettyellen Dec 2012 #174
"to equate being "pro man" and against violence is just nonsense." lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #178
What a lazy excuse. Women hear the "what about men's" crap here all the time and it doesn't stop us! bettyellen Dec 2012 #190
You react to the "what about men crap" in the same way every time. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #194
Unlike you, the feminists are continuing a history of effective activism. They don't need "advice" bettyellen Dec 2012 #223
Effective? Undoubtedly! lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #225
We don't have parity yet, but we're working on it! You shld take a lesson from feminists! bettyellen Dec 2012 #227
We do and I am. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #233
7% would be significant enough to merit activism bettyellen Dec 2012 #238
7% is less INaccurate than the rest of popular reporting on the issue. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #241
But you are happy with the 7%, and pleased to make excuses bettyellen Dec 2012 #244
For some people, "reasons" look a lot like "excuses". lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #246
I think the OP is asking a perfectly reasonable question bettyellen Dec 2012 #248
So it's totally a numbers game? yardwork Dec 2012 #84
Violence IS a problem for women. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #88
You seem to be disregarding the many posts in this thread that say the opposite. yardwork Dec 2012 #89
Not disregarding. I'm agreeing with the OP's rhetorical question. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #94
here is what I think you seem to miss boston bean Dec 2012 #96
If "breaking free of gender roles" means more men go to college, or more women dying in wars... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #99
Are you upset about your gender role, or not? boston bean Dec 2012 #100
I'm not anyone's monkey. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #105
Do you blame feminists for this? nt boston bean Dec 2012 #108
Of course not. The wellbeing of men isn't and shouldn't be feminism's problem. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #111
You are not a feminist, correct? boston bean Dec 2012 #112
That's correct, on both counts. nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #115
Feminists are bigoted towards men, is that a fair characterization boston bean Dec 2012 #117
No. It is not. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #122
Because feminist groups should be advocating for men's issues on equal par boston bean Dec 2012 #123
I advocate for the disabled. I don't pretend that I'm simultaneously advocating for everyone else. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #132
You don't think it's possible gollygee Dec 2012 #134
Advocating for equality IS possible. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #137
Why do you think a group can't advocate gollygee Dec 2012 #147
Because one-sided equality is gibberish. It's an oxymoron. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #153
Advocating for one side of equality doesn't mean equality is one-sided gollygee Dec 2012 #207
What is the feminist position on college enrollment? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #211
My personal opinion gollygee Dec 2012 #219
Yes, but not under the banner of feminism. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #154
So feminists are not advocating for equality? boston bean Dec 2012 #136
Ms Bean of Fort Lee New Jersey asks lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #157
That's completely not fair Tsiyu Dec 2012 #106
How about humanism? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #166
I guess. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #197
The word seems to ha e different connotations for you than for me. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #212
"Feminism isn't about equality" wut? Dash87 Dec 2012 #239
Take it up with the OP. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #242
Doesn't child rearing come into play here? xchrom Dec 2012 #79
That is my feeling etherealtruth Dec 2012 #182
Women are mothers of sons Tsiyu Dec 2012 #85
My female teacher in high school said fistfights are a normal guy thing LittleBlue Dec 2012 #93
Your experience is similar to mine. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #102
That is bologne. boston bean Dec 2012 #107
Feminism focuses on issues that are important to women. True enough. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #109
The question remains, then, where are the men groups boston bean Dec 2012 #110
Aside from the guys derided as "MRA" groups, there aren't any. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #114
By refuting feminists and feminism? boston bean Dec 2012 #118
An admirable goal Tsiyu Dec 2012 #139
There is little need for me to focus on that side of the room. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #187
Ah. So this all boils down to a bad divorce Tsiyu Dec 2012 #220
No, you don't "get it" at all. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #222
feminists don't examine the patriarchy? LOL. they kind of invented that field of study! bettyellen Dec 2012 #229
The only person you didn't speak for in that post was yourself. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #234
Wow. Sorry this "protection of a man" thing is so outmoded bettyellen Dec 2012 #237
"Where are the men's groups?" Bonobo Dec 2012 #144
The (all male) mods wanted to deny a men's group? bettyellen Dec 2012 #240
I haven't talked to the admins about the issue directly. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #243
But it is EXACTLY the opposite that happened here. Bonobo Dec 2012 #247
bullshit. wouldnt be involved with a man that thought fighting was the answer. ever. i have spoken seabeyond Dec 2012 #159
Whoa! pecwae Dec 2012 #206
All three posters who replied to this misread, intentionally or otherwise, what I said. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #213
Pretty close... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #149
In that violence begats violence libodem Dec 2012 #95
Fighting fair in a sport fight? Fine... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #150
It most certainly IS a feminist issue. How boys and men define themselves through force is always ancianita Dec 2012 #98
excellent book, real boys. i bought it a decade ago to read. my then 8 yr old picked it up seabeyond Dec 2012 #160
Violence among men is an issue burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #113
No. Violence is the divider between genders. It IS part of the male identity construct. ancianita Dec 2012 #138
Violence is a violence issue. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #119
For indigenous peoples, women and the hearth were protected by the males, as they bore and libdem4life Dec 2012 #124
That's not really what the post was about. Bonobo Dec 2012 #126
First of all i did not cherry pick. I picked what stuck out to me La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #129
Do you agree with this statement Bonobo Dec 2012 #131
to me, feminism means boston bean Dec 2012 #145
I think as human beings we should be concerned about any Cleita Dec 2012 #127
+1 nt Zorra Dec 2012 #158
any woman who has a father, brother, husband, or son should care liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #128
Not a feminist issue, but a human issue gollygee Dec 2012 #130
The irony of this thread... Bonobo Dec 2012 #141
Many of us women do take male on male violence seriously liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #148
i didnt know this was about your thread. i didnt see this thread discussing m/f violence more than seabeyond Dec 2012 #161
+1 nt lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #169
i agree with you (which isn't to say that feminists don't care about such violence personally) fishwax Dec 2012 #152
Duh! RobertEarl Dec 2012 #155
No, because women can be isolated from the culture of violence and degredation Romulox Dec 2012 #167
I agree, Priyanka obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #173
If we are to hold to the standard that everyone is equal Rex Dec 2012 #183
to me it is a progressive issue, but not a feminist issue La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #192
To a person who is primarily interested in equality... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #198
i think a lot more men believe in feminist principles, than say you do La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #199
I think they're subconsciously invested in the patriarchy. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #202
True Rex Dec 2012 #226
I don't think it is a feminist issue obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #196
It is a progressive issue but not a feminist issue. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #200
"feminist marketing terminology" obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #205
You don't agree? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #209
lololol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #210
I guess the problem must be the way I'm saying it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #215
There are some things that shouldn't be compartmentalized and violence is one of them MrScorpio Dec 2012 #201
"To say that women shouldn't express concern about male-on-male violence" lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #203
" To say that women shouldn't express concern about male-on-male violence" sufrommich Dec 2012 #208
of course not njcamden_25884 Dec 2012 #204
Thank you for illustrating the distinction between progressivism and feminism. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #216
or advocating for gay rights and progressivism, or advocating for climate change La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #217
There is no contradiction between the two gollygee Dec 2012 #224
isn't that like saying distinction between progressivism and health care for all ? JI7 Dec 2012 #230
Of course it is. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #221
I think feminism has and can do more against male vs male violence than men's rights groups. Evoman Dec 2012 #231
What is needed in that regard is a men's advocacy group without the RW politics and hate. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #235
No. But it's a Humanist issue that can affect Feminism johnlucas Dec 2012 #232
Thanks John! lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #236
Wow. This site is humongous. I had no idea. johnlucas Dec 2012 #245
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