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159. Depends who the Repukes put up ...

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 11:33 AM

Dec 2012

I like Warren, but it's my observation this country elects the Presidential candidate they'd most like to have a beer with.

If she runs, Warren will need to craft a public image that the Joe Six-Packs can relate to. Is she up to that?

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Why Hillary cannot and should not win in 2016 [View all] Whisp Dec 2012 OP

As wonderful as she may be, she is old school politics. randome Dec 2012 #1

There's also something disturbing about XemaSab Dec 2012 #153

I agree nt fadedrose Dec 2012 #177

Me Too. Seems Like Royal Lineage ProfessorGAC Dec 2012 #184

Thank You. I agree 100% lalalu Dec 2012 #2

Well, looks like the "Warren or no one" movement begins now. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #3

Nope. Warren is one I think I know best at this point in time. Whisp Dec 2012 #9

I hope not. I think the support for Warren in 2016 is premature. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #14

Depends who the Repukes put up ... Auggie Dec 2012 #159

If this Brave New World you speak of will doom her in 2016...it should have doomed her in 2008 joeybee12 Dec 2012 #4

Hillary lost the 2008 primary because of her vote for the Iraq War blueclown Dec 2012 #5

There is plenty of debate on why she lost in '08 wyldwolf Dec 2012 #7

Are you denying that the Iraq War vote didn't play a major role in the reason why she didn't win? blueclown Dec 2012 #17

Unless you have some solid evidence to the contrary, yes. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #20

Solid evidence - the large focus on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan blueclown Dec 2012 #28

Providing your opinion is not empirical evidence wyldwolf Dec 2012 #44

It isn't my opinion that Hillary supported the war when was being authorized blueclown Dec 2012 #58

Yes it was an important issue but not THE reason she lost wyldwolf Dec 2012 #59

People preferred other candidates is one reason.... fadedrose Dec 2012 #131

Well, of course. That is the case in any primary for any election in any year. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #138

Michigan's Primary of 2008 was anything but normal... fadedrose Dec 2012 #160

Reasoning isn't evidence. Reasoning is important, but it's not empirical data. Bucky Dec 2012 #77

I know the guy who writes that blog and he's pretty a pretty sharp character. amandabeech Dec 2012 #123

Exit polls aren't evidence of the importance of an issue? blueclown Dec 2012 #143

I like your avitar of LBJ. Same as mine. graham4anything Dec 2012 #11

I like it, but I really like the shot of LBJ with some long flowing hair! Bake Dec 2012 #23

Yeah. I would love to get a sweat shirt with that picture on it. graham4anything Dec 2012 #55

Aw hell, post the pic! Bake Dec 2012 #57

Since you insist (LOL). I have it as my screen wallpaper now graham4anything Dec 2012 #61

Hillary lost for several reasons, one of which was her vote for the Iraq invasion. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #12

Of course, when you lose, you run an "ineffective campaign" blueclown Dec 2012 #19

Like all politicians (Obama included) she told several lies during the campaign, a la being the Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #34

o no, not this 'both sides do it' Anderson Cooper stuff! Whisp Dec 2012 #40

Read carefully what I wrote. All politicians "exaggerate" if not lie. Maybe "lie" is too much, Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #49

okay, no such whoppers. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #62

By ineffective campaign, he means the fact that she had no strategy for after Super Tuesday Hippo_Tron Dec 2012 #115

...also because she endorsed mandated health insurance leftstreet Dec 2012 #24

The president, then Senator Obama, was dishonest about mandates during the campaign. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #36

I happen to think Obama is an honest person Whisp Dec 2012 #42

The point is that he was adamantly opposed to mandates. Now he is adamantly for them. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #45

The President also said that he would renegotiate NAFTA. amandabeech Dec 2012 #124

Without her ridiculous vote for the Iraq War, there never would have been a Barack Obama. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #72

The blood is still drip, drip, dripping from her hands. No sentient human being will coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #136

Well then you can help give 2016 to Jeb Bush! Thanks! Walk away Dec 2012 #169

Oh, FFS, as if Hillary is the only Dem capable of winning in 2016. Right coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #182

I don't believe that. Barack Obama's success was a result of his own merit, and a little luck. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #180

Thank you. I will never forgive her for that. lindysalsagal Dec 2012 #188

As a supporter of Barack Obama before he even ran for the Senate RomneyLies Dec 2012 #6

Now see, I was preparing a long rebuttal to the OP but you did nicely in two lines. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #8

I forget the actual number, but hair's breadth is not one of them. Whisp Dec 2012 #13

The final delegate count from Real Clear Politics was Obama -2229.5 and Clinton - 1896.5 RomneyLies Dec 2012 #26

ok, in numbers, yes, it's pretty close, but Whisp Dec 2012 #35

But Clinton padded her numbers at the end after Obama had already switched to GE mode. ieoeja Dec 2012 #43

then there was that Michigan, Florida and one other state... where it was agreed not to count them Whisp Dec 2012 #68

That's exactly how it went. Hillary led the fight to exclude those 2 states. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #78

this is the kind of stuff she can't talk her way out of Whisp Dec 2012 #96

Could you imagine what a GOP super-pack would do with this. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #99

Not to mention, Pres. Obama will most likely endorse Hillary, guaranteeing her the nomination. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #64

Obama will be in a tough spot of Biden and Hillary run. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #79

I would not mind if Joe Biden made history himself- Hillary45/BidenVP graham4anything Dec 2012 #87

It takes a Clinton To be a Bush. Last thing we need is another Dukakis like scenerio graham4anything Dec 2012 #10

I agree.... winning in 2016 is all! nt Bigmack Dec 2012 #15

nobody has "earned" a nomination not coming for 4 years nt msongs Dec 2012 #16

We need 100% unity and let them fight their civil war graham4anything Dec 2012 #22

If Hillary is going to run, I hope she has already been quietly talking to Axelrod and Plouffe RomneyLies Dec 2012 #29

+1 aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #80

I think the Obama team works/worked well is because of the chemistry Whisp Dec 2012 #89

is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t antigop Dec 2012 #47

+1000. antigop Dec 2012 #30

I don't like this kind of stuff. It's presumptious. Feels like we're being railroaded by partisans. patrice Dec 2012 #130

One don't like opinions on a political discussion board where people give opinions??? graham4anything Dec 2012 #134

ah, yes, the same "inevitability" meme n/t antigop Dec 2012 #149

cut the "inevitability" meme. OK? People are sick of it. THERE WILL BE A 2016 PRIMARY. nt antigop Dec 2012 #32

Hillary Clinton has not earned anything. She has to ask for our votes. We make that decision Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #52

Funny thing is, the public is only calling Hillary. graham4anything Dec 2012 #65

That's crazy. The public wanted Hillary because they thought she was better than Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #73

That is what I said. She would have won had it not been for President Obama entering the race graham4anything Dec 2012 #81

Um, dude, Obama hasn't "backed" anyone. THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY IN 2016. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #90

I think it's mostly Clinton surrogates that are calling Hillary to run. Whisp Dec 2012 #75

+++1 patrice Dec 2012 #129

I think that the Noble committee will be very reluctant togive away amandabeech Dec 2012 #125

I'm ABC - Anybody but Cuomo liskddksil Dec 2012 #18

Roger that. KamaAina Dec 2012 #39

I agree about Andrew. And Let's Go Mets. They signed Wright for years. Now it's Dickey's turn graham4anything Dec 2012 #88

If she does run democrattotheend Dec 2012 #21

She needs Axelrod and Plouffe running it or at least advising it. graham4anything Dec 2012 #27

I can definitely see Roberts leaving the court if there is no conservative majority. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #31

Hillary is highly respected and has a lot of support among rank and file Democrats. yardwork Dec 2012 #25

For cying out loud, Obama hasn't even started his second term yet. This is ridiculous. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #33

+1,000!!! I think I now understand why this is happening. Dividing Democrats! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #38

Until about 2015. This is all pointless speculation. randome Dec 2012 #51

Yep! It's also designed to distract us from focusing on the battles that we need to fight Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #56

so true, Liberal. Spot on. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #92

then ask the media why this is happening. Whisp Dec 2012 #60

Liberals are almost as likely to fall prey to Corporate Media narratives and memes as the cons. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #85

if you mean unite around Hillary45 100% agree. BTW- I was most certainly NOT a fan in 2008. graham4anything Dec 2012 #71

we are NOT uniting around Hillary. We should unite around Pres. Obama right now. antigop Dec 2012 #93

The goal is to keep President Obama's agenda winning for decades to come,no retreat from it graham4anything Dec 2012 #100

is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t antigop Dec 2012 #109

the formalities will be done, like they were this year graham4anything Dec 2012 #111

it's a PRIMARY -- not a coronation. Got it? N/t antigop Dec 2012 #112

you are the only one disputing it, not me. graham4anything Dec 2012 #116

there you go again...the "inevitability" meme... nt antigop Dec 2012 #118

People said Obama was not going to win in 2008 and 12 graham4anything Dec 2012 #119

ah,yes, the same meme...she's the only one....it's hers. The Dems will decide who the nominee is antigop Dec 2012 #120

and the repubs will the same graham4anything Dec 2012 #121

still the same "inevitability" meme...there's no one else. Just her. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #145

Thanks for you efforts with this! She's ONE good candidate. This is starting to look like a cult of patrice Dec 2012 #132

Disingenuous posts usually do get more overthetop as the exchanges continue.... blm Dec 2012 #157

I was a fan of Dennis K., then John Edwards (*sigh*). I didn't come 'round to Obama until the very Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #110

Thank you. And Elizabeth Warren has been a senator for about five minutes. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #66

Actually, technically I don't think she has been sworn in as a Senator yet. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #82

Good point! Chorophyll Dec 2012 #114

if she runs MFM008 Dec 2012 #37

Too early still, but your points aren't persuasive Spike89 Dec 2012 #41

yes, delegates. ty I will change. n/t Whisp Dec 2012 #69

I disagree with your second point. Obama has been the most vetted candidate and politician Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #183

I'm not so sure we're ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #46

it's ridiculous..Obama hasn't even started his second term yet and this crap has already started. nt antigop Dec 2012 #48

He had 4 years. People are ready to move on n/t leftstreet Dec 2012 #53

and he has four more to go. His second term hasn't even started. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #94

No one's expecting anything spectacular from him leftstreet Dec 2012 #107

no, it's the surrogates who are pushing for a new horserace. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #113

Who are these "people" you speak of? The president is sitting on a very high approval rating. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #142

Landslide? Lowest voter turnout since 2004 leftstreet Dec 2012 #155

Link or Lies. I'll go with the latter. Blacks and Hispanics stood in lines for hours upon hours. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #178

Are you able to access the Internet? leftstreet Dec 2012 #185

you are absolutely right, but it is free speech, no matter what the bs content it contains still_one Dec 2012 #162

it may be free speech, but you have to question what the real agenda is. nt antigop Dec 2012 #166

Absolutely, however we really need to focus on now and the next four years still_one Dec 2012 #167

there are a lot of issues we need to focus on now -- Medicare, SS, budget, etc. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #170

We need to focus on now and the next *TWO* years! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #181

Hillary said she wasn't planning on a run in '16 anyway. AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #50

"Am not planning" does NOT equal "Will not run". Bucky Dec 2012 #76

where there are Clintons, there is hype. Whisp Dec 2012 #150

She switched parties because her fellow Republicans were rude to her at the 1968 RNC. ieoeja Dec 2012 #54

Yes, because Hillary always crumbles when "the boys pick on her." Chorophyll Dec 2012 #67

Being the first random thought to pop out of one's head doesn't make it "reason number one" Bucky Dec 2012 #74

Fine. How about ... because she is a neo-lib founder of the DLC that took this country near ruin? ieoeja Dec 2012 #83

See? Don't you feel better about yourself now? Bucky Dec 2012 #106

Is 2016 too soon to push for a progressive nominee for President? It has been 40 years after all. Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #63

The Iraq War vote has always been my main problem with HRC. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #70

I think Hillary wants to be President. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #84

heheh. Whisp Dec 2012 #91

I think the Clintons are hoping they can knock out other Dems before the primary starts. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #101

2008 taught them not to rest on their laurels, that's for sure. Whisp Dec 2012 #102

I wonder if anyone is talking to Axelrod and Plouffe? aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #103

I had a reply to that in #89, pasting it here: Whisp Dec 2012 #105

Hillary the Harpie ... that was the drum beat that was played out by both parties, in one way or the libdem4life Dec 2012 #86

We'll see IN 2016 who will win the primary. It's not a coronation, it's a primary. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #95

Hillary would be one of the most qualified people to ever run for the office. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #97

I hope you are right. aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #104

It's the 21st century..we need to back away from the "it's xxxxxx's "turn" mentalilty SoCalDem Dec 2012 #98

Enough of 2016 IDemo Dec 2012 #108

The Hillary hate continues!!! center rising Dec 2012 #117

It's not hate. People just don't like the presumption. Don't like having a candidate patrice Dec 2012 #133

I love and respect her goclark Dec 2012 #141

nice post, Patrice. Spot on. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #146

I have to disagree with the old guard theory liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #122

Very seldom do 4 years of one party follow 8 years of that same party. amandabeech Dec 2012 #126

you really need to check history..the universal healthcare fight in this country started long before antigop Dec 2012 #147

ooh, sorry I guess I used the wrong term liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #163

I think 2016 will NOT be 2008 in many ways. Hillary always learns and improves. Tigress DEM Dec 2012 #127

Now that's a good thought - Warren as AG. Whisp Dec 2012 #128

Hilliary may be our best shot veganlush Dec 2012 #135

Uh, no. Warren Religion Dec 2012 #137

I'm one of the few people not willing to take a position either way davidpdx Dec 2012 #139

absolutely, David. You have to wonder what the real agenda is here, don't you? n/t antigop Dec 2012 #148

The Howard Dean campaign was the first campaign to effectively use the internet... Earth_First Dec 2012 #140

okay, I stand corrected. Whisp Dec 2012 #152

Very true davidpdx Dec 2012 #186

I'm sorry, but if Hillary is the best Dem candidate for 2016, I'm voting for her.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #144

Never said I was a critic davidpdx Dec 2012 #187

She wont be my first choice. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #151

Brian seems like a good guy. Whisp Dec 2012 #154

Yeah I think he has a lot of working class appeal. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #156

And what a magNAMINOUS PSA this is. You're just all heart! MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #158

She will be the nominee, and she will win no matter what you want still_one Dec 2012 #161

ah, yes..she's the one...the "inevitability" meme n/t antigop Dec 2012 #164

EW 2016! lonestarnot Dec 2012 #165

Couldn't agree more Carolina Dec 2012 #168

Holy Fucking Shit... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #171

ask MSNBC and all the rest to do that. Whisp Dec 2012 #172

So they put a gun to your head.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #173

if you have a problem with my OP I recommend you alert on it. Whisp Dec 2012 #175

I know this may piss some off but... bamacrat Dec 2012 #174

If I recall this correctly - Congress voted to give Bush the power to declare war IF there were WMD djean111 Dec 2012 #176

If she runs, I'll support her... cynatnite Dec 2012 #179