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Prairie Gates

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Fri Aug 16, 2024, 09:34 AM Aug 2024

Trump's View on the Military was Profoundly Shaped by his Draft Avoidance during Vietnam [View all]

As we know, his wealthy father had a quack doctor jimmy up a fake diagnosis, and there were probably additional shenanigans with the Brooklyn-Queens draft board to get him his IV-F medical classification. He was fully qualified for the draft, had attended military school, and was by most accounts a passable student athlete at baseball (he himself, of course, claims that he could have been in the major leagues). There is little doubt that he would have been drafted upon completion of his student deferments (in June 1968!), and it's quite likely that he would have been sent to Vietnam, Republic of in the Winter 1968-1969. The months immediately after Trump's graduation from college, and the end of his student deferments, were among the bloodiest of the war (see especially Ronald Spector's excellent After Tet).

He was scared. As were many.

His rich father orchestrated his IV-F classification.

At the end of Tim O'Brien's story "On the Rainy River," O'Brien's narrator, in a similar situation to Trump, having completed his college deferments, is drafted, and contemplates fleeing to Canada. He gets halfway across a Minnesota river, almost there. At the end, however, he does not go. He returns, and is in short order sent to Vietnam. The story ends poignantly with the following two sentences: "I was a coward. I went to the war." O'Brien deliberately refuses to include a transition between the two clauses, leaving the reader to fill in the meaning (and then? because? however? and? but?).

For Trump, there's no need for the second sentence. Trump was a coward. And he knows it. Every utterance he makes about the military contains that fundamental psychological kernel.

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He was a narcisist who was forced to be subserviant in military school getagrip_already Aug 2024 #1
It's sort of like he's a coward so he hates anybody with courage Walleye Aug 2024 #3
Yes he must denigrate those with courage Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #4
I also think he learned the "suckers and losers" bit at his father's knee Prairie Gates Aug 2024 #5
The reason that W called up so many national guard units in his war is because Walleye Aug 2024 #2
Well, that and he ran out of regular troops he could send getagrip_already Aug 2024 #6
Yes, that was the exact reason, but he got a little psychological boost from it too I think Walleye Aug 2024 #8
They were deployed in nam, coast guard also.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #9
True, but as I remember most of the guys in those days join the guard so they wouldn't have to go to Vietnam Walleye Aug 2024 #10
You generally werent direct combat, so there was that getagrip_already Aug 2024 #14
I'm not the type to support the draft or bash draft dodgers, but... ExciteBike66 Aug 2024 #7
Yeah, but the new gop is not conservative.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #11
Correct, it is now the party of butt-hurt boys Walleye Aug 2024 #13
They are right-wing radicals, orthoclad Aug 2024 #19
They want to say, "well he didn't lie about his record. There was no stolen valor."He fucking lied about the bone spurs. Walleye Aug 2024 #12
Exactly: and somebody else from his region went as they moved down the list Prairie Gates Aug 2024 #16
There's a spectrum Prairie Gates Aug 2024 #15
I was a draft resister. orthoclad Aug 2024 #18
He was just like all the other richies orthoclad Aug 2024 #17
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