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In reply to the discussion: Why Hillary cannot and should not win in 2016 [View all]Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)14. I hope not. I think the support for Warren in 2016 is premature.
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If this Brave New World you speak of will doom her in 2016...it should have doomed her in 2008
joeybee12
Dec 2012
#4
Are you denying that the Iraq War vote didn't play a major role in the reason why she didn't win?
blueclown
Dec 2012
#17
Well, of course. That is the case in any primary for any election in any year.
wyldwolf
Dec 2012
#138
I know the guy who writes that blog and he's pretty a pretty sharp character.
amandabeech
Dec 2012
#123
Hillary lost for several reasons, one of which was her vote for the Iraq invasion.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#12
Like all politicians (Obama included) she told several lies during the campaign, a la being the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#34
Read carefully what I wrote. All politicians "exaggerate" if not lie. Maybe "lie" is too much,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#49
By ineffective campaign, he means the fact that she had no strategy for after Super Tuesday
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2012
#115
The president, then Senator Obama, was dishonest about mandates during the campaign.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#36
The point is that he was adamantly opposed to mandates. Now he is adamantly for them.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#45
Without her ridiculous vote for the Iraq War, there never would have been a Barack Obama. nt
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#72
The blood is still drip, drip, dripping from her hands. No sentient human being will
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#136
Oh, FFS, as if Hillary is the only Dem capable of winning in 2016. Right
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#182
I don't believe that. Barack Obama's success was a result of his own merit, and a little luck.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#180
Now see, I was preparing a long rebuttal to the OP but you did nicely in two lines.
wyldwolf
Dec 2012
#8
The final delegate count from Real Clear Politics was Obama -2229.5 and Clinton - 1896.5
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#26
But Clinton padded her numbers at the end after Obama had already switched to GE mode.
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#43
then there was that Michigan, Florida and one other state... where it was agreed not to count them
Whisp
Dec 2012
#68
Not to mention, Pres. Obama will most likely endorse Hillary, guaranteeing her the nomination.
JaneyVee
Dec 2012
#64
It takes a Clinton To be a Bush. Last thing we need is another Dukakis like scenerio
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#10
If Hillary is going to run, I hope she has already been quietly talking to Axelrod and Plouffe
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#29
is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#47
I don't like this kind of stuff. It's presumptious. Feels like we're being railroaded by partisans.
patrice
Dec 2012
#130
One don't like opinions on a political discussion board where people give opinions???
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#134
cut the "inevitability" meme. OK? People are sick of it. THERE WILL BE A 2016 PRIMARY. nt
antigop
Dec 2012
#32
Hillary Clinton has not earned anything. She has to ask for our votes. We make that decision
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#52
That's crazy. The public wanted Hillary because they thought she was better than
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#73
That is what I said. She would have won had it not been for President Obama entering the race
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#81
I agree about Andrew. And Let's Go Mets. They signed Wright for years. Now it's Dickey's turn
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#88
I can definitely see Roberts leaving the court if there is no conservative majority. n/t
RomneyLies
Dec 2012
#31
Hillary is highly respected and has a lot of support among rank and file Democrats.
yardwork
Dec 2012
#25
For cying out loud, Obama hasn't even started his second term yet. This is ridiculous. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#33
+1,000!!! I think I now understand why this is happening. Dividing Democrats!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#38
Yep! It's also designed to distract us from focusing on the battles that we need to fight
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#56
Liberals are almost as likely to fall prey to Corporate Media narratives and memes as the cons.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#85
if you mean unite around Hillary45 100% agree. BTW- I was most certainly NOT a fan in 2008.
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#71
we are NOT uniting around Hillary. We should unite around Pres. Obama right now.
antigop
Dec 2012
#93
The goal is to keep President Obama's agenda winning for decades to come,no retreat from it
graham4anything
Dec 2012
#100
is there a part of -THERE WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IN 2016 -- that you don't understand? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#109
ah,yes, the same meme...she's the only one....it's hers. The Dems will decide who the nominee is
antigop
Dec 2012
#120
Thanks for you efforts with this! She's ONE good candidate. This is starting to look like a cult of
patrice
Dec 2012
#132
I was a fan of Dennis K., then John Edwards (*sigh*). I didn't come 'round to Obama until the very
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#110
Actually, technically I don't think she has been sworn in as a Senator yet. nt
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#82
I disagree with your second point. Obama has been the most vetted candidate and politician
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#183
it's ridiculous..Obama hasn't even started his second term yet and this crap has already started. nt
antigop
Dec 2012
#48
Who are these "people" you speak of? The president is sitting on a very high approval rating.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#142
Link or Lies. I'll go with the latter. Blacks and Hispanics stood in lines for hours upon hours.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Dec 2012
#178
you are absolutely right, but it is free speech, no matter what the bs content it contains
still_one
Dec 2012
#162
there are a lot of issues we need to focus on now -- Medicare, SS, budget, etc. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#170
She switched parties because her fellow Republicans were rude to her at the 1968 RNC.
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#54
Being the first random thought to pop out of one's head doesn't make it "reason number one"
Bucky
Dec 2012
#74
Fine. How about ... because she is a neo-lib founder of the DLC that took this country near ruin?
ieoeja
Dec 2012
#83
Is 2016 too soon to push for a progressive nominee for President? It has been 40 years after all.
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2012
#63
I think the Clintons are hoping they can knock out other Dems before the primary starts.
aaaaaa5a
Dec 2012
#101
Hillary the Harpie ... that was the drum beat that was played out by both parties, in one way or the
libdem4life
Dec 2012
#86
We'll see IN 2016 who will win the primary. It's not a coronation, it's a primary. n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#95
It's the 21st century..we need to back away from the "it's xxxxxx's "turn" mentalilty
SoCalDem
Dec 2012
#98
It's not hate. People just don't like the presumption. Don't like having a candidate
patrice
Dec 2012
#133
you really need to check history..the universal healthcare fight in this country started long before
antigop
Dec 2012
#147
I think 2016 will NOT be 2008 in many ways. Hillary always learns and improves.
Tigress DEM
Dec 2012
#127
absolutely, David. You have to wonder what the real agenda is here, don't you? n/t
antigop
Dec 2012
#148
The Howard Dean campaign was the first campaign to effectively use the internet...
Earth_First
Dec 2012
#140
I'm sorry, but if Hillary is the best Dem candidate for 2016, I'm voting for her....
OldDem2012
Dec 2012
#144