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X_Digger

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102. You don't have to be an "industrial safety expert" to read a study..
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:10 AM
Dec 2012

.. and see if it looks at the methods that people use to resist crime.

But I strongly disagree with the statement, that the "victim" is not the clerk in the first place- it's the clerk (and any customers present) whose lives are threatened.

As I have seen repeatedly, it is foolish to go out on a limb for an employer. Lasher Dec 2012 #1
This becomes more and more apparent.. letemrot Dec 2012 #3
Large corporations have made themselves the enemy. I would never go out of my way for a large RKP5637 Dec 2012 #5
love how you lump all employers into one category. As a small business owner who employs a few KittyWampus Dec 2012 #85
Sorry, I was thinking more of the larger corporations wherein I spent my life RKP5637 Dec 2012 #98
Anymore you do what you think is the right thing and it's the wrong thing ... and the RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2
As a CCW permit holder, I say he should have been fired obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #4
His manager thanked him for saving his life letemrot Dec 2012 #6
What he did goes 100% armed robbery training obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #7
And if he had did nothing.. letemrot Dec 2012 #8
Robbers aren't terribly interested in upgrading their crime unnecessarily. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #9
I get that.. letemrot Dec 2012 #10
The robber asker for money, he didn't try to change their location obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
Their money or.. (fill in the blank) X_Digger Dec 2012 #14
Holding a gun does not prevent you from asking for the money. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #15
Would you feel just as inclined to say no to someone brandishing a firearm as any other panhandler? X_Digger Dec 2012 #16
My likely answer doesn't prevent them from asking. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #20
It's not "asking" if there's an implied threat- the "or your life" part. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #31
Yes, it is asking. I could always chose to accept the threat. jeff47 Dec 2012 #35
*sigh* see reply #19. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #36
I guess I'll just repeat myself. jeff47 Dec 2012 #42
He asked for the money, you know what I mean obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #17
Yes, he demanded, threatened, etc. "Asked" makes it sound civil. Armed robbery isn't civil. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #19
You don't get it -- what he did is a huge no-no obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #12
You are right.. I don't get it. letemrot Dec 2012 #18
He also risked lives jeff47 Dec 2012 #21
I'd be curious to see those stats.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #30
I have no idea what statistics are being quoted, but from pure common sense, Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #38
Economics drives this policy as it does with all others sarisataka Dec 2012 #44
You do not take into account Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #49
Still a lower sum sarisataka Dec 2012 #55
Being robbed itsn't the same as being abducted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #108
I agree with the difference sarisataka Dec 2012 #113
My pessimistic guess? It's cheaper to pay off employees' families than risk a lawsuit. X_Digger Dec 2012 #46
Rewire. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #51
Yep, seriously. X_Digger Dec 2012 #61
What you say is truth letemrot Dec 2012 #94
Exactly, Ruby -- money and product isn't worth it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #109
Training I've received from several retailers jeff47 Dec 2012 #41
I've seen such handbooks, but it was just quoted as common wisdom, not statistics. X_Digger Dec 2012 #47
If you don't believe insurance companies run on statistics jberryhill Dec 2012 #50
Quite honestly, with my 2+ decades in finance Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #54
What I always find interesting in this "set piece" jberryhill Dec 2012 #60
It says Air Force Veteran because, I pulled it from a Veteran site letemrot Dec 2012 #81
No, it would not change my mind jberryhill Dec 2012 #84
You keep saying he painted a target letemrot Dec 2012 #97
Retail Managers and Bank Teller have more training and experience obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #110
So you don't have a source, either? Someone has to have it, somewhere.. c'mon. X_Digger Dec 2012 #64
That is not specific to retail robbery jberryhill Dec 2012 #68
Hence my asking for more detailed stats. *sigh* X_Digger Dec 2012 #69
Insurance company stats are proprietary jberryhill Dec 2012 #71
So an appeal to authority? *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* X_Digger Dec 2012 #77
Here, you are still wrong... jberryhill Dec 2012 #72
Data from 1996.. NCVS is more recent (2011) X_Digger Dec 2012 #75
Then it's not fucking relevant jberryhill Dec 2012 #78
It may be relevant.. see the other reply.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #80
There is an entire literature on the specific subject jberryhill Dec 2012 #82
I've not found anything specific in the literature.. maybe it's *proprietary* (aka, just trust me) X_Digger Dec 2012 #83
I posted two references on retail robbery risk jberryhill Dec 2012 #89
You don't have to be an "industrial safety expert" to read a study.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #102
I was provided statistics. I was not interested in retaining them for years so that jeff47 Dec 2012 #117
Ot is SOP for banking, retail, etc: you don;t confront obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #107
*nod* I know it's SOP, but I thought he had a source for the stats quoted. X_Digger Dec 2012 #114
This robber apparently didn't read the supposed statistics AlexSatan Dec 2012 #56
So you'd prefer to make the corpses yourself then? jeff47 Dec 2012 #67
You mean like in the case in the OP? You know, the one we're discussing? Hehe.. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #70
Meteors strike every single person on the planet jeff47 Dec 2012 #101
About once a week someone posts a news piece.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105
Sorry, I don't pretend to read minds AlexSatan Dec 2012 #103
In the Air Force? jberryhill Dec 2012 #66
Wrong AlexSatan Dec 2012 #104
The guy just asked for money, he should not have been confronted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #106
Good points. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #32
"If he had did" Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #24
Apparently I done wrote that. <-see I poke fun at myself letemrot Dec 2012 #33
Already posted 'em, champ. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #40
I'm sorry? letemrot Dec 2012 #43
Citizens running amok with their CCW Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #48
Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #52
Read your own OP, Sparky. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #57
I just re-read it letemrot Dec 2012 #73
Where did that happen? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #59
then at least you didn't cause it and the deaths are not on your head. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #45
I'm ambivalent.. you have to be there. X_Digger Dec 2012 #11
Nicely put. I also expect whatever insurance they carry Robb Dec 2012 #22
Excellent example Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #26
There is a reason for that policy & you should take your pseudo-macho vigilantism elsewhere Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #23
Things DIDN'T go south AlexSatan Dec 2012 #62
Yeah, Fuck Science! jberryhill Dec 2012 #76
He wanted to be a cowboy, and was lucky as hell someone didn't die obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #118
He may have prevented someone from dying AlexSatan Dec 2012 #126
lol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #132
They have their policy for a reason gollygee Dec 2012 #25
Guy's a hero for standing up for what is right, for saying, "no, you can't do that." Skip Intro Dec 2012 #27
I hope you are correct letemrot Dec 2012 #37
He'll need to inform his next employer of the reason he was terminated when asked. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #92
There would have been cries to pillory him obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #119
Doing the moral thing doesn't always lead to good consequences. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #28
I think this is the response that sums it up the best. letemrot Dec 2012 #34
"..ran out to my truck, grabbed my weapon, came back and confronted the guy..." cleanhippie Dec 2012 #29
Well my grammar would suggest I am in fact letemrot Dec 2012 #39
You sir are 100% correct! My CCW trainer said the same thing! Logical Dec 2012 #58
As did mine obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #121
+1 obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #120
My guess is that the Autozone insurance company forbids armed employees as a liability issue just Purveyor Dec 2012 #53
It makes every other employee a target jberryhill Dec 2012 #63
Possibly removed just such a target letemrot Dec 2012 #87
Bless you, brother, for your faith jberryhill Dec 2012 #90
Then don't hire a Vet letemrot Dec 2012 #93
I will consider your advice jberryhill Dec 2012 #95
Well... if you give such explicit instructions letemrot Dec 2012 #96
Beacuse service members are taught to take the orders and follow SOP obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #123
Actually letemrot Dec 2012 #128
Oh, vets do not act like that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #122
Well your relatives letemrot Dec 2012 #129
This story comes up about once a year... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #65
AutoZone has been recognized as one of the 10 worst companies to work for: AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #74
The guy has probably been hoping for a chance to grab his gun for years. Hoyt Dec 2012 #79
And what, pray tell, do you base that judgement from? letemrot Dec 2012 #86
My long time knowledge of those who tote, and why. Hoyt Dec 2012 #88
I think that he had the weapon for self defense, and used it in just such a manner. letemrot Dec 2012 #91
He did NOT use it in self defense obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #125
Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #130
Yes, really obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #131
I'm not a CCW holder letemrot Dec 2012 #133
I usually diagree with Hoyt, but I agree with him here obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #124
you're right, I see him driving around dark parking lots, looking for shady characters.. snooper2 Dec 2012 #116
At one chain where I worked, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #99
and he should have been fired for it. CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #100
Veteran or not he violated company policy rustydog Dec 2012 #111
I would have fired him. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #112
Good: he deserved to be fired. No guns means no guns. If he was truly a "law abiding apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #115
Here is the problem with "heros"... Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #127
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