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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:17 AM

19. Go ahead and get rid of the Waltons, you will get run over in the stampede to


be the next ones. If you are successful in disposing of them, you better duck cause the next ones are already incoming.

Greedy bastards have been with us since time started, and they always will be. If one waits for them to become generous, or even thinks that people can make them be that way, one will die a disappointed fool. The ONLY time tyrants have ever been stopped is when enough people either stopped supporting them or stopped them in more permanent ways. A really good history class would have taught that, but perhaps it was only offered at 8:00 am. That would explain what I read above.

Nobody is excusing the Waltons. But it's a waste of time to do anything but educate the people, because they are the only ones who can change it. Of course they are bastards, whether it is the Waltons, the private equity firms, the paid-for politicians, the greedy bastards at the investment banks or all the people they pay to do their bidding or all the people who make it possible by paying their bills - they are merely an obstruction to freedom, unimportant and irrelevant to the solution.

Just an aside - who do you think treats the customers better? Walmart, or the activist who rails against them for shopping there? The activist who had nothing but criticism for the shopper in a community where 50% of the families qualify for free or reduced price lunches because they live at the federal poverty level for income? Who do you think that shopper will trust, the person who smiles at them at the register or the one who frowns and stares because they went in? Maybe the so-called activist needs to believe in people more, maybe that's why they seem so ineffective, as if they are more annoying than powerful. Perhaps organizers and activists need to trust the people to do the right thing, if and when the activist ever does an adequate job of educating them to help themselves.

Maybe the IWW will figure out a place in this decade. They knew how to put their arms around a sister or a brother, because they had a vision of two against ALL the tyrants. Then 4, then a million.,then ten million. That's when you see real power.

I was reading about the Triangle Shirtwaist protests, the thing that put them in the news a year before the fire. A gal said she saw the demonstrations going on, but wasn't sure, until some women marching by smiled, and said "C'mon and join us honey". (Walmart has price rollbacks and shiny, cheerful places, clean - what do I see outside? Cold concrete, rain, no food, and criticism. I can't hardly guess who is gonna win this...).

The post above seems to infer that people are weak. Why would it say they don't have the resources? Is it to infer people are stupid, without brains? That the Walt-gods are so much more mighty and fearsome and all-knowing? The Walt-scrubs wouldn't even make the newspapers (except for perhaps the police blotter) if it wasn't for these people putting them, and thousands of others, on their marble pedestal by bringing them the cash.

I just watched them put up a Walmart here. All they brought was the building and the imports. Yet now there is an armored truck pulling up every day to get rid of their money. And here you are correct. Not one, but by hundreds, thousands of people, driving in and out of their parking lot. The Walton$ didn't bring a dime of that, and without the money they wouldn't be there. You should make a note here: NO GREEDY BASTARD HAS THE MOTIVATION TO STOP AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEM MONEY.

The Waltons might PREFER that people focus on them and their business practices, because people who do that are at most annoyances, no real threat. Hell, I bet they would give you free rocks to throw at their building if you would JUST NOT ORGANIZE people. The people who, (with a lot of documented history to back this up), are the only ones who have EVER had the power to change this. Whether Nonviolently, withdrawing their support of the tyrant, or with the guillotine, it takes enough people that their demands can't be ignored, only granted.

Is there even one example of a greedy bastard suddenly becoming an advocate of fair play? 'Cause I can't find it, certainly not among the thousands and thousands who never will. There are greedy bastards everywhere, and the moment you focus on one another one slithers up behind you. You need to focus on helping brothers and sisters understand the danger and the need to watch for these serpents.

You are correct, the people are too busy to figure this out. But I hope, hope, hope you aren't waiting for the people them to do it on their own, while people are wasting their time railing about the dicks at Walmart. Because the people will never figure it out on their own. They never have, never will, not without organizers, (maybe YOU?), organizers that have a vision beyond their own narrow organization, telling them the story of the life they could stand up and claim for themselve. Getting beaten down while telling it, then telling them again. Until they listen or you die. (But at least YOU die free )

But you're not the first to make those mistakes in battle. Then again, it's a lot safer to rail against Walmart than teach people.

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