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jeff47

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67. So you'd prefer to make the corpses yourself then?

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:43 AM

Dec 2012

You actually think the robber who has the gun already out is just gonna drop it or run?

He's willing to shoot, but only if no one else has a gun?

Life isn't an action movie.

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Air Force Veteran foils robbery.. Then fired for it. [View all] letemrot Dec 2012 OP

As I have seen repeatedly, it is foolish to go out on a limb for an employer. Lasher Dec 2012 #1

This becomes more and more apparent.. letemrot Dec 2012 #3

Large corporations have made themselves the enemy. I would never go out of my way for a large RKP5637 Dec 2012 #5

love how you lump all employers into one category. As a small business owner who employs a few KittyWampus Dec 2012 #85

Sorry, I was thinking more of the larger corporations wherein I spent my life RKP5637 Dec 2012 #98

Anymore you do what you think is the right thing and it's the wrong thing ... and the RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2

As a CCW permit holder, I say he should have been fired obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #4

His manager thanked him for saving his life letemrot Dec 2012 #6

What he did goes 100% armed robbery training obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #7

And if he had did nothing.. letemrot Dec 2012 #8

Robbers aren't terribly interested in upgrading their crime unnecessarily. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #9

I get that.. letemrot Dec 2012 #10

The robber asker for money, he didn't try to change their location obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13

Their money or.. (fill in the blank) X_Digger Dec 2012 #14

Holding a gun does not prevent you from asking for the money. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #15

Would you feel just as inclined to say no to someone brandishing a firearm as any other panhandler? X_Digger Dec 2012 #16

My likely answer doesn't prevent them from asking. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #20

It's not "asking" if there's an implied threat- the "or your life" part. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #31

Yes, it is asking. I could always chose to accept the threat. jeff47 Dec 2012 #35

*sigh* see reply #19. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #36

I guess I'll just repeat myself. jeff47 Dec 2012 #42

He asked for the money, you know what I mean obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #17

Yes, he demanded, threatened, etc. "Asked" makes it sound civil. Armed robbery isn't civil. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #19

You don't get it -- what he did is a huge no-no obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #12

You are right.. I don't get it. letemrot Dec 2012 #18

He also risked lives jeff47 Dec 2012 #21

I'd be curious to see those stats.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #30

I have no idea what statistics are being quoted, but from pure common sense, Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #38

Economics drives this policy as it does with all others sarisataka Dec 2012 #44

You do not take into account Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #49

Still a lower sum sarisataka Dec 2012 #55

Being robbed itsn't the same as being abducted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #108

I agree with the difference sarisataka Dec 2012 #113

My pessimistic guess? It's cheaper to pay off employees' families than risk a lawsuit. X_Digger Dec 2012 #46

Rewire. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #51

Yep, seriously. X_Digger Dec 2012 #61

What you say is truth letemrot Dec 2012 #94

Exactly, Ruby -- money and product isn't worth it obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #109

Training I've received from several retailers jeff47 Dec 2012 #41

I've seen such handbooks, but it was just quoted as common wisdom, not statistics. X_Digger Dec 2012 #47

If you don't believe insurance companies run on statistics jberryhill Dec 2012 #50

Quite honestly, with my 2+ decades in finance Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #54

What I always find interesting in this "set piece" jberryhill Dec 2012 #60

It says Air Force Veteran because, I pulled it from a Veteran site letemrot Dec 2012 #81

No, it would not change my mind jberryhill Dec 2012 #84

You keep saying he painted a target letemrot Dec 2012 #97

Retail Managers and Bank Teller have more training and experience obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #110

So you don't have a source, either? Someone has to have it, somewhere.. c'mon. X_Digger Dec 2012 #64

That is not specific to retail robbery jberryhill Dec 2012 #68

Hence my asking for more detailed stats. *sigh* X_Digger Dec 2012 #69

Insurance company stats are proprietary jberryhill Dec 2012 #71

So an appeal to authority? *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* X_Digger Dec 2012 #77

Here, you are still wrong... jberryhill Dec 2012 #72

Data from 1996.. NCVS is more recent (2011) X_Digger Dec 2012 #75

Then it's not fucking relevant jberryhill Dec 2012 #78

It may be relevant.. see the other reply.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #80

There is an entire literature on the specific subject jberryhill Dec 2012 #82

I've not found anything specific in the literature.. maybe it's *proprietary* (aka, just trust me) X_Digger Dec 2012 #83

I posted two references on retail robbery risk jberryhill Dec 2012 #89

You don't have to be an "industrial safety expert" to read a study.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #102

I was provided statistics. I was not interested in retaining them for years so that jeff47 Dec 2012 #117

Ot is SOP for banking, retail, etc: you don;t confront obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #107

*nod* I know it's SOP, but I thought he had a source for the stats quoted. X_Digger Dec 2012 #114

This robber apparently didn't read the supposed statistics AlexSatan Dec 2012 #56

So you'd prefer to make the corpses yourself then? jeff47 Dec 2012 #67

You mean like in the case in the OP? You know, the one we're discussing? Hehe.. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #70

Meteors strike every single person on the planet jeff47 Dec 2012 #101

About once a week someone posts a news piece.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #105

Sorry, I don't pretend to read minds AlexSatan Dec 2012 #103

In the Air Force? jberryhill Dec 2012 #66

Wrong AlexSatan Dec 2012 #104

The guy just asked for money, he should not have been confronted obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #106

Good points. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #32

"If he had did" Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #24

Apparently I done wrote that. <-see I poke fun at myself letemrot Dec 2012 #33

Already posted 'em, champ. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #40

I'm sorry? letemrot Dec 2012 #43

Citizens running amok with their CCW Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #48

Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #52

Read your own OP, Sparky. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #57

I just re-read it letemrot Dec 2012 #73

Where did that happen? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #59

then at least you didn't cause it and the deaths are not on your head. TeamPooka Dec 2012 #45

I'm ambivalent.. you have to be there. X_Digger Dec 2012 #11

Nicely put. I also expect whatever insurance they carry Robb Dec 2012 #22

Excellent example Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #26

There is a reason for that policy & you should take your pseudo-macho vigilantism elsewhere Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #23

Things DIDN'T go south AlexSatan Dec 2012 #62

Yeah, Fuck Science! jberryhill Dec 2012 #76

He wanted to be a cowboy, and was lucky as hell someone didn't die obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #118

He may have prevented someone from dying AlexSatan Dec 2012 #126

lol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #132

They have their policy for a reason gollygee Dec 2012 #25

Guy's a hero for standing up for what is right, for saying, "no, you can't do that." Skip Intro Dec 2012 #27

I hope you are correct letemrot Dec 2012 #37

He'll need to inform his next employer of the reason he was terminated when asked. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #92

There would have been cries to pillory him obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #119

Doing the moral thing doesn't always lead to good consequences. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #28

I think this is the response that sums it up the best. letemrot Dec 2012 #34

"..ran out to my truck, grabbed my weapon, came back and confronted the guy..." cleanhippie Dec 2012 #29

Well my grammar would suggest I am in fact letemrot Dec 2012 #39

You sir are 100% correct! My CCW trainer said the same thing! Logical Dec 2012 #58

As did mine obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #121

+1 obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #120

My guess is that the Autozone insurance company forbids armed employees as a liability issue just Purveyor Dec 2012 #53

It makes every other employee a target jberryhill Dec 2012 #63

Possibly removed just such a target letemrot Dec 2012 #87

Bless you, brother, for your faith jberryhill Dec 2012 #90

Then don't hire a Vet letemrot Dec 2012 #93

I will consider your advice jberryhill Dec 2012 #95

Well... if you give such explicit instructions letemrot Dec 2012 #96

Beacuse service members are taught to take the orders and follow SOP obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #123

Actually letemrot Dec 2012 #128

Oh, vets do not act like that obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #122

Well your relatives letemrot Dec 2012 #129

This story comes up about once a year... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #65

AutoZone has been recognized as one of the 10 worst companies to work for: AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #74

The guy has probably been hoping for a chance to grab his gun for years. Hoyt Dec 2012 #79

And what, pray tell, do you base that judgement from? letemrot Dec 2012 #86

My long time knowledge of those who tote, and why. Hoyt Dec 2012 #88

I think that he had the weapon for self defense, and used it in just such a manner. letemrot Dec 2012 #91

He did NOT use it in self defense obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #125

Really? letemrot Dec 2012 #130

Yes, really obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #131

I'm not a CCW holder letemrot Dec 2012 #133

I usually diagree with Hoyt, but I agree with him here obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #124

you're right, I see him driving around dark parking lots, looking for shady characters.. snooper2 Dec 2012 #116

At one chain where I worked, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #99

and he should have been fired for it. CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #100

Veteran or not he violated company policy rustydog Dec 2012 #111

I would have fired him. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #112

Good: he deserved to be fired. No guns means no guns. If he was truly a "law abiding apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #115

Here is the problem with "heros"... Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #127