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jody

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56. Do you believe Democrat Obama lied when he promised "I will not take your shotgun away, I won't take
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

your rifle away, I will not take your handgun away"?

Fact, govt. is not obligated to protect any individual not in custody. Question. who do you expect jody Dec 2012 #1
I see you're not conflicted.... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #2
I'm not conflicted at all. Please refute any statement I made in my post. nt jody Dec 2012 #3
Loathsome and disgusting,. pscot Dec 2012 #6
Please refute any statement I made. nt jody Dec 2012 #7
For one thing, there is no such thing as an "inalienable right" Orrex Dec 2012 #45
I don't refute any of your bs, I just hope you "accidentally" refute yourself, and it hurts. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #51
Are you unable to refute my statements? That seems the case with your ad hominem attacks. nt jody Dec 2012 #54
YOU refute the quote in the OP by Costas. Lex Dec 2012 #117
Do you assert that "Handguns" produce those results? What about the other things criminals jody Dec 2012 #124
Guns can exacerbate without having to refute any of your other BS. morningfog Dec 2012 #139
What facts I cited in #1 do you call BS? nt jody Dec 2012 #143
Your so-called "facts" are irrelevant and stupid to this discussion. Red herring, strawmen morningfog Dec 2012 #150
I did not say the statements you quote are facts. The facts I gave place the burden of proof on jody Dec 2012 #154
Again, this discussion is not about abolishing the right to guns. You are trying to make it that. morningfog Dec 2012 #156
You want to change the gun culture. What law do you propose to make that change? nt jody Dec 2012 #157
Your agenda is getting the best of you. morningfog Dec 2012 #159
You refuse to acknowledge the obvious. OP introduces gun culture and gun control but no one jody Dec 2012 #164
First of all, gun clinging rednecks should chill the fuck out and morningfog Dec 2012 #167
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!! sarisataka Dec 2012 #172
What an odd thing to say. beevul Dec 2012 #181
Look at movies, video games and popular music and you will answer your own question. morningfog Dec 2012 #195
Wow! So gun owners are "rednecks afraid of inner city black men."?? Ya Basta Dec 2012 #241
I didn't say all gun owners were. morningfog Dec 2012 #242
Non-sequitor. You are not a redneck. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #244
do MrDiaz Dec 2012 #177
Same old talking points. A bunch or parrots you are. morningfog Dec 2012 #196
same old MrDiaz Dec 2012 #201
And where are their charts? I miss those charts! We usually get the same ones in every gun CTyankee Dec 2012 #215
guns =/= forks =/= pencils =/= cars & pretending that they do ought to disqualify one to own patrice Dec 2012 #260
On the other hand, what "baits" AlexSatan Dec 2012 #191
"which is all 99% of gun owners do" PavePusher Dec 2012 #208
Who said that? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #223
Argh, I completely misread your statement. PavePusher Dec 2012 #230
No prob AlexSatan Dec 2012 #245
30,000 dead Americans every year from handguns. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #171
National Center for Injury Prevention and Control reports Homicide Firearm 11,073 for 2010. jody Dec 2012 #176
link please? MrDiaz Dec 2012 #179
Here: Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #182
O I C MrDiaz Dec 2012 #186
Suicides should be included. morningfog Dec 2012 #197
duh G_j Dec 2012 #204
That's too easy... rwsanders Dec 2012 #50
Understand and that's your choice. nt jody Dec 2012 #52
I totally agree with you. Illinoischick Dec 2012 #9
How about making that statement to the Native Americans. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2012 #13
Please refute any statement I made. nt jody Dec 2012 #16
bullshit. The "inalienable" part is about LIFE. It's one of the first things mentioned pasto76 Dec 2012 #19
Please refute any statement I made. nt jody Dec 2012 #30
With all due respect. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #67
No, they really aren't. beevul Dec 2012 #183
Love how a plea for sanity always brings out the gun nuts ready to defend their stupid worship abelenkpe Dec 2012 #26
Please refute any statement I made. nt jody Dec 2012 #31
me too (nt) Tumbulu Dec 2012 #61
Wanting to take away Berserker Dec 2012 #83
"... and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety." from your thread. Whovian Dec 2012 #55
Please refute any statement I made. nt jody Dec 2012 #58
I just did. Happiness can be different things to different people. Whovian Dec 2012 #69
To me it is. nt jody Dec 2012 #93
Mine is to me. So that means we do what I say, right? jeff47 Dec 2012 #114
The unique thing about our government is our Constitution requires it to protect the unalienable jody Dec 2012 #120
Actually, it's not unique. jeff47 Dec 2012 #153
IMO it was unique in 1776. It's also the longest surviving government, Iceland is questionable, of jody Dec 2012 #155
There is no Right to murder innocent people, under any Amendment. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #209
It means you each make your own decisions... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #144
The problem is your decisions do not just affect yourself. jeff47 Dec 2012 #152
This is the part of your post that is logically wrong (and factually challenged)... Sancho Dec 2012 #95
Interesting but LEOs choose handguns as do 8 million citizens who possess CCW. jody Dec 2012 #106
I know all about CCW...and it doesn't change the logical problem.... Sancho Dec 2012 #145
The right to keep and bear arms for self-defense is not limited to firearms. To begin, what federal jody Dec 2012 #151
It doesn't matter if control laws were state or federal... Sancho Dec 2012 #166
The laws you cite refer to dealers... Sancho Dec 2012 #170
No, the laws I cited are all federal laws that pertain to firearms. nt jody Dec 2012 #175
Firearm dealers and collectors...not every user, buyer or owner. Sancho Dec 2012 #203
With all due respect, no you do not. beevul Dec 2012 #185
That probably depends on your local state... Sancho Dec 2012 #205
Ownership vs public usage. beevul Dec 2012 #233
You have to show proof of insurance to register a car or trailer in Florida... Sancho Dec 2012 #240
One need not "register" a car, simply to own it. beevul Dec 2012 #246
Here, you cannot "own" a car unless you buy it or someone gives it to you... Sancho Dec 2012 #253
That may be true... beevul Dec 2012 #265
It's time to quit arguing with you... Sancho Dec 2012 #266
I thought we were discussing /shrug. beevul Dec 2012 #267
You can get lots of information from the link below... Sancho Dec 2012 #268
Do you contend that in this "different world" of the past AlexSatan Dec 2012 #192
Not one thing in your first paragraph illustrates any difference... PavePusher Dec 2012 #210
Why do you need to know about my personal property? Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #146
If guns were "the best choice" wouldn't that mean THE most efficacious? Is that the fact? No. patrice Dec 2012 #109
Depends on circumstances. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #211
Correct, ergo guns don't necessarily accomplish whatever it is that one assumes they patrice Dec 2012 #221
What defensive tools would not be "an oversimplified 'answer'"? PavePusher Dec 2012 #228
I was thinking of defensive tools that recognize the causes of danger, before it's too late. patrice Dec 2012 #229
I really don't understand what you are trying to say. PavePusher Dec 2012 #232
Are you telling me that people with guns don't kill others for anything but self defense? wow. nt patrice Dec 2012 #234
Again you are inventing things I did not say. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #249
Please quote directly what part(s) you can't understand & I will clarify. Thanks. nt patrice Dec 2012 #237
What, pray tell, is "natural" about the ability to hurl multiple small pieces of metal at wildly patrice Dec 2012 #116
Using tools is a natural ability of Homo Sapiens. PavePusher Dec 2012 #212
False equivalence. There are significant qualitative differences between tools, otherwise we'd all patrice Dec 2012 #220
Non sequiteur. PavePusher Dec 2012 #225
So a knife is the same thing as an armed drone and, therefore, you have a "right" to use either patrice Dec 2012 #226
I didn't say anything like that. PavePusher Dec 2012 #231
You said that using tools is a natural ability of homo sapiens and, by implication, that's some kind patrice Dec 2012 #236
The can both be used for constructive or destructive purposes. PavePusher Dec 2012 #248
It's not a non sequiteur (sic) just because you fail to see the connection, in the same manner that patrice Dec 2012 #227
You assume that there is one and ONLY one way to defend life, liberty, property etc. & that way patrice Dec 2012 #122
Ummm, he said no such things. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #213
How is saying handguns are the best choice not also saying one should do nothing less than the best patrice Dec 2012 #239
First you claimed he said ONLY choice, which was not true. PavePusher Dec 2012 #251
Tell me why the best choice would not be also the ONLY choice when it comes to "defense". nt patrice Dec 2012 #255
Because we have free will, and some people come to different results than others... PavePusher Dec 2012 #257
Free will? Let's not go there, rightnow, suffice it to say that I disagree with anyone who disputes patrice Dec 2012 #261
There are no guarantees. PavePusher Dec 2012 #262
Huh? Are you guaranteeing that there are no guarantees? & If you are defending yourself, why patrice Dec 2012 #263
Sorry! I couldn't resist that. I actually agree with you. There are only probabilities. nt patrice Dec 2012 #264
Are you saying that BECAUSE police use guns, we should too, since police pose a threat to us? patrice Dec 2012 #127
Well yes, patently, they can be a threat to innocent people. PavePusher Dec 2012 #214
So, just how much danger are all of us in, from police & under what circumstances? patrice Dec 2012 #243
If the abuses become common/strong enough, we are equipped to fight back. PavePusher Dec 2012 #252
Or - are you saying that we face the same threats that police do, so we should have guns too? patrice Dec 2012 #128
Yes, we face the same threats. PavePusher Dec 2012 #216
We, ALL of us, live in high probability of direct assault multiple times a day, just like patrice Dec 2012 #235
No, I have not said what you claim I said. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #247
You are defending #1 and that's what #1 said. nt patrice Dec 2012 #256
another fact green for victory Dec 2012 #160
Well said, and definitely food for thought. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #217
Ah! something we agree upon & which also definitely falls in the category of thinking about patrice Dec 2012 #238
I don't know anyone who recommends anything different. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #250
+100. Image at bottom of your post says it all. nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #162
Very close sarisataka Dec 2012 #4
People chose to bring themselves closer to the brink by purchasing the gun.... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #5
Yes, that is true. People who know they are close to the brink shouldn't buy guns. slackmaster Dec 2012 #21
Good point nt Tumbulu Dec 2012 #62
The purchase of a gun does not bring them closer to the brink sarisataka Dec 2012 #77
No always AlexSatan Dec 2012 #193
It's true. DanTex Dec 2012 #8
Please cite a credible study that supports your assertion. nt jody Dec 2012 #12
The Harvard School of Public Health is a good starting point. DanTex Dec 2012 #15
That study is not original research. Please cite a credible study. nt jody Dec 2012 #20
That's because it is a survey paper. There are about 100 citations at the end of it, which DanTex Dec 2012 #25
You know they'll never read anything that goes against their religion. nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #27
As is being illustrated in this very thread. Squinch Dec 2012 #44
#8 you said "that guns make people less safe rather than more safe". Prove it. nt jody Dec 2012 #29
Guns do make people less safe. If you are intent on ignoring the evidence, that's your choice. DanTex Dec 2012 #36
I will not ignore any credible study you cite. Problem is you have not yet done so. nt jody Dec 2012 #40
Of course, you will simply label any study that contradicts your dogma as "not credible". DanTex Dec 2012 #41
Please cite any post in which I said a "study . . . [was] 'not credible'" without disputing the jody Dec 2012 #48
This is getting a little silly. DanTex Dec 2012 #57
No, the silly thing is you being unable to cite a credible study. nt jody Dec 2012 #60
Perhaps your DU account has been hacked? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #68
Yes, it is. The poster is far too transparent and obvious to be taken seriously. morningfog Dec 2012 #140
Evidence: 100% of all people killed by guns were killed by guns. morningfog Dec 2012 #136
"hands of those who pulled the trigger" of course were innocent bystanders when that handgun killed jody Dec 2012 #142
You are right, no one is shot by accident. morningfog Dec 2012 #147
But what about self defense? alp227 Dec 2012 #148
One of many safeinOhio Dec 2012 #63
Man accidentally kills himself Berserker Dec 2012 #87
Only I can't safeinOhio Dec 2012 #103
Kind of hard to defend your home with the the family car as well. LAGC Dec 2012 #121
In 63 years old and I have never needed to use safeinOhio Dec 2012 #174
Are you a computer generated responder? Tumbulu Dec 2012 #66
I agree--that was my initial impression--robotic! corneliamcgillicutty Dec 2012 #78
Why don't you illuminate those who read this thread by providing facts. You can start by jody Dec 2012 #111
The fact is that if you are a real person Tumbulu Dec 2012 #135
Yet as a society we have never been safer hack89 Dec 2012 #92
Compared to Canada, UK, Germany, etc. we have far more homicide. DanTex Dec 2012 #98
So the huge upswing in gun purchases are all repeat buyers? Got it. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #102
Here's GSS data on gun ownership rates: DanTex Dec 2012 #108
And older white males are not a particualary violent segment of society hack89 Dec 2012 #113
You keep changing the subject every time you are proven wrong. And now you have ceased making DanTex Dec 2012 #115
And yet we have never been safer hack89 Dec 2012 #178
So show me how GSS surveyed felons hack89 Dec 2012 #190
My town is just as safe as Canada, UK or Germany hack89 Dec 2012 #189
The righties were going nuts today on the local talk show, doc03 Dec 2012 #10
I'm a lefty Berserker Dec 2012 #89
Whatever you think I can't see where someone should be fired for doc03 Dec 2012 #94
Freedom of speech = government can't prosecute speech, but employers may regulate workers' speech. alp227 Dec 2012 #149
There is a lot of truth in what he said and voicing his opinion doc03 Dec 2012 #158
Well, I'd say that psychos will find any way to harm another person, alp227 Dec 2012 #161
Believe me those two that shot the 17 year old boy down in doc03 Dec 2012 #169
What a level headed guy, Jason Whitlock. He needs to keep writing, being read Dont call me Shirley Dec 2012 #11
I am not sure your post humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #14
Here here oberle Dec 2012 #18
Do you believe Democrat Obama lied when he promised "I will not take your shotgun away, I won't take jody Dec 2012 #56
And more evidence of hacking- using Democrat Tumbulu Dec 2012 #72
Alert this or something? snort Dec 2012 #76
well I am not sure how to alert on a poster Tumbulu Dec 2012 #85
Do you believe Democrat Obama's statement was a lie as I asked? nt jody Dec 2012 #96
has to be computer generated....what to do is the question nt Tumbulu Dec 2012 #131
Have a blissful evening and goodbye. nt jody Dec 2012 #134
Huh? Sez who? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #218
The President humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #79
Do you have a quote where Obama evolved by saying in essence "I will take your shotgun away, I will jody Dec 2012 #100
Same can be said about a car, knife, hammer, chainsaw etc Illinoischick Dec 2012 #64
Because ... Straw Man Dec 2012 #75
That wasn't my point humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #82
That WAS your point. Straw Man Dec 2012 #173
YUP there here Berserker Dec 2012 #91
40 percent of Dems own guns hack89 Dec 2012 #105
What?!?! No-one was ever murdered before the advent of guns? PavePusher Dec 2012 #219
I'm in agreement with much of Mr. Whitlock's commentary, however I see it as the culture of violence slackmaster Dec 2012 #17
good point maindawg Dec 2012 #28
If you didn't know he was a football player, he would have been the last person you expected. bluedigger Dec 2012 #53
I didn't know much about him. That is very, no obvious sign of a typical "troubled" youth. slackmaster Dec 2012 #59
If he had stayed in West Babylon HockeyMom Dec 2012 #65
West Babylon is Suffolk County. Straw Man Dec 2012 #84
He did not Berserker Dec 2012 #101
My handgun certainly "exacerbates" my flaws. bvar22 Dec 2012 #22
Why would one need to shoot someone from that distance? Hoyt Dec 2012 #42
Odd. bvar22 Dec 2012 #49
I'm against toting in public, shooting someone running away with a CD player, Hoyt Dec 2012 #71
Who is talking about shooting people? hack89 Dec 2012 #97
Except in highly unlikely situations? Berserker Dec 2012 #107
I practice at 30 yards with handguns because... bvar22 Dec 2012 #123
Enjoy your guns. So you tote in "urbs or sub-urbs?" Hoyt Dec 2012 #126
Man, I don't even GO to the Urbs or SubUrbs anymore. bvar22 Dec 2012 #130
Costas wasnt advocating gun control maindawg Dec 2012 #23
On this subject, sanity is too much to request. There is just no reasoning. Squinch Dec 2012 #46
You only need a license to operate a vehicle on a public road. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #70
uh... beevul Dec 2012 #188
This Is An Absolute Fabulous Message 1ProudAtheist Dec 2012 #24
+++1 patrice Dec 2012 #35
RE: nuclear weapons. The "Truman needs the test before he confronts Stalin." story tells the tale.. Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #39
Thanks. I wonder how many know that this was written and earlier published by someone else. elleng Dec 2012 #32
In whatever tragic situation, all other factors being the same, it's the presence of a gun that patrice Dec 2012 #33
+1000 OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #81
And the gun worshipers are crucifying him for his plea for sanity. baldguy Dec 2012 #34
Hollywood is partly to blame . . . Utopian Leftist Dec 2012 #37
So true and this has been my gripe for a very long time Tumbulu Dec 2012 #73
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #38
We need a campaign to change attitudes about guns, just like cigarettes, Hoyt Dec 2012 #43
The late-great Paul Newman did one in a series for a group called Cease Fire..... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #47
I will have to check those out. Thanks. Hoyt Dec 2012 #80
Good idea! nt Tumbulu Dec 2012 #74
but but but... humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #86
I swear gun culture makes absurd arguments. Hoyt Dec 2012 #118
Football is one of the most violent sports in the world. That man was MADE of violence. The gun is rDigital Dec 2012 #88
Actually, from growing up with gun culture, I'd say the gun culture encourages the opposite. ancianita Dec 2012 #90
Alcohol does the same but the cost to society is much greater. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #99
Well hand guns are made for killin' They ain't no good for nothin' else SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #104
My hand gun Berserker Dec 2012 #110
Bwhahahahahahaha! SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #202
You watch too many bad movies or too much bad TV. PavePusher Dec 2012 #222
OK, I guess this is where I say I don't agree with gun control because... Taverner Dec 2012 #112
It does work. nt Lex Dec 2012 #119
Link Please Berserker Dec 2012 #125
Your little gif Lex Dec 2012 #129
AWWWW gun Worshippers Berserker Dec 2012 #132
I don't worship my guns either. bvar22 Dec 2012 #137
Not true. It's say, "Fuck economic & social justice" + say, "Guns!" = panic about gun ownership. patrice Dec 2012 #133
And it is guns that enables some people to say, "Fuck economic & social justice." nt patrice Dec 2012 #138
And those people definitely are not necessarily in law enforcement at Fed or state level as patrice Dec 2012 #141
"exacerbate our...tempt us...bait us" flvegan Dec 2012 #163
Does, or has, Bob Costas legally carried a concealed handgun? krispos42 Dec 2012 #165
One doesn't need to engage in aberrant behavior to recognize aberrance DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #199
And, like Costas, you have zero credibility on this issue. n/t krispos42 Dec 2012 #224
Guns simply aren't the problem. Moral decay is the problem. Skip Intro Dec 2012 #168
Gun CULTURE. Guns have become a part of the Gangsta lifestyle one the one hand.... Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #180
What about those of us who are neither gangsters or Tea baggers? hack89 Dec 2012 #194
Here: Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #206
Excellent post. Thanks. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #207
That is to say, the vast, overwhelming majority of gun owners. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #258
Whitlock correct -- "But we won’t." aikoaiko Dec 2012 #184
Guns in the home don't make one safer duhneece Dec 2012 #187
our media and our culture don't like to have the hard conversations liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #198
Thank you for getting the point of the OP Junkdrawer Dec 2012 #200
I find it amazing that no one on TV is addressing the domestic violence part of the story.. rainlillie Dec 2012 #254
Sports stars are excused for their little foibles JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #259
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