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Trying to define the parameters of someone else's conversation rarely works too well... Just FYI... nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #1
Having read here this week, I am not convinced at all that all of the men here are allies of women LeftyMom Dec 2012 #2
Which is why, as I said, trying to define the parameters of discussion for others is not a good idea nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #3
Instead of "discuss"ing what have experienced, people need to shut their mouths and open their ears. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #7
But don't one way conversations only go so far? Kurska Dec 2012 #10
Conversations only move forward when everybody involved knows what they're talking about. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #13
Most informative conversations happen between unequally informed parties. Kurska Dec 2012 #18
That's not what's going on here. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #20
Do you feel like my op is dismissing anyone? Kurska Dec 2012 #22
I think you probably missed out on some of these threads. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #24
I'm student and it is finals week, I most certainly have. Kurska Dec 2012 #26
I agree with you totally. Just pointing out why some female posters might be on the defensive. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #30
Men, unless they have been raped, do not get "views" on rape obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #53
Yes, I find your OP dismissive obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #52
+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #23
men are suggesting slogans, rewriting posters and saying ANY education directed at men is bettyellen Dec 2012 #37
There have been several posters who have used MRA bullet points obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #54
Well you could tell quite a bit was cut and pasting because bettyellen Dec 2012 #61
it would, wouldn't it? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #62
It's just that some have hijacked the "rape threads" as a forum for their own egos. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #14
please relook at all the thread jacking, because you're giving some people bettyellen Dec 2012 #15
No disagreement here. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #11
Please don't use the "D" word. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #17
If you've never been a soldier shut the fuck up about war? mythology Dec 2012 #32
I'd listen to what they had to say. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #33
wow mercuryblues Dec 2012 #48
Never been a solider? You don't get to say what combat was like obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #56
The majority of reseachers who professionally study PSTD from combat are not veterans Kurska Dec 2012 #66
And you are a researcher? Have you made a study of rape? Or are you a guy on a message board? Squinch Dec 2012 #78
You're the only person I've seen telling people to shut up, actually. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #39
Well then, you've missed a fuck ton. bettyellen Dec 2012 #41
what if sigmasix Dec 2012 #42
I would never ever trivialize what you have LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #76
You're just hysterical XemaSab Dec 2012 #4
(i heard she was PMSing) obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #57
And I agree that there seem to be some real creeps around at DU. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #5
It is impossible to overreact to rape, it is a horrible crime. Kurska Dec 2012 #8
and most of the unfit are telling us "how" we should talk to them, same as you. bettyellen Dec 2012 #12
I view open, honest and respectful dialogue is the best way to reach anyone about any topic. Kurska Dec 2012 #16
Oh I do. But if you go through these threads you'll see evidence of many people there to bettyellen Dec 2012 #19
If you give up on that noble goal because of disrupters, then doesn't that mean they won? n/t Kurska Dec 2012 #21
If you give lip service to their "concerns" about how we talk about this.... the conversation bettyellen Dec 2012 #27
Lets say a man has a real and genuine concern that the conversation is stereotyping him as a rapist. Kurska Dec 2012 #28
if his ego concerns are more important than my health and welfare to the extent that's all he wants bettyellen Dec 2012 #36
You are assuming that the goal here is to convince men of something. It isn't. Squinch Dec 2012 #79
Me too.....+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #55
Can you give an example of someone who is "pro-rape?" Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #60
Rapist are scum who put their basest sexual desires about the rights and well being of other people niyad Dec 2012 #6
You're right, I'll edit my OP Kurska Dec 2012 #9
Isn't saying "basest sexual desires" also saying it is about sex? Bonobo Dec 2012 #25
if it were about sex, there are other outlets available. niyad Dec 2012 #38
There are other outlets for violence too. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #40
You know, that's pretty easy to say Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #29
You certainly won't find me among the number who say raping someone who is asleep is okay. Kurska Dec 2012 #31
Congratulations. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #34
Hey man, I'm agreeing with the thing that seemed the most important to you. Kurska Dec 2012 #35
But you did say Squinch Dec 2012 #77
good post -- op worthy obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #59
I'm not so sure anymore... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #43
So very well said. nt redqueen Dec 2012 #45
Thank you for this post. Really. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #46
+ a million. Thank you. LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #58
I'm really getting tired of DU men explaining rape to me. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #44
It's too bad polls are no longer anonymous FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #49
Ugh, I'm so sorry you went through all of that. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #50
"It's not true that the vast majority of rapists are serial predators." Incorrect Kurska Dec 2012 #67
Point out as much as you like, Kurska. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #73
Enthusiatic consent? Dokkie Dec 2012 #71
Well, maybe you should think about that a bit longer. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #74
I have a new standard for rape Dokkie Dec 2012 #75
And yet when Assange is accused of rape, of course he's innocent ... Bake Dec 2012 #47
Disruptive OT BS. There was very divided opinion that. bettyellen Dec 2012 #63
No one has accused all men of being rapists obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #51
Yep. They're hollering about stuff that never happened. bettyellen Dec 2012 #64
I was raped at 16... a la izquierda Dec 2012 #65
I dont know if I am alone on this Dokkie Dec 2012 #68
Well do you believe that rape is wrong? Kurska Dec 2012 #69
Ofc not, I am not a wild animal Dokkie Dec 2012 #72
You have rape fantasies and blame them on a rape prevention teacher.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #80
Well, right about now I'm thinking of slapping someone upside his head. J/S. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #70
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