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In reply to the discussion: The vast majority of men have never raped nor thought about raping anyone. [View all]bettyellen
(47,209 posts)12. and most of the unfit are telling us "how" we should talk to them, same as you.
There's waaaay too many men who are NOT supportive, using "how we talk" as an excuse for their non support.
It's bullshit.
Please stop putting their feelings front and center... because no matter how we phrase anything, they find an excuse not to listen or support. Let's stop pandering to their bullshit, and instead tell them to grow up and deal with the conversation or go.
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The vast majority of men have never raped nor thought about raping anyone. [View all]
Kurska
Dec 2012
OP
Trying to define the parameters of someone else's conversation rarely works too well... Just FYI...
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#1
Having read here this week, I am not convinced at all that all of the men here are allies of women
LeftyMom
Dec 2012
#2
Which is why, as I said, trying to define the parameters of discussion for others is not a good idea
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#3
Instead of "discuss"ing what have experienced, people need to shut their mouths and open their ears.
LeftyMom
Dec 2012
#7
Conversations only move forward when everybody involved knows what they're talking about.
LeftyMom
Dec 2012
#13
I agree with you totally. Just pointing out why some female posters might be on the defensive.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#30
men are suggesting slogans, rewriting posters and saying ANY education directed at men is
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#37
It's just that some have hijacked the "rape threads" as a forum for their own egos.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#14
The majority of reseachers who professionally study PSTD from combat are not veterans
Kurska
Dec 2012
#66
And you are a researcher? Have you made a study of rape? Or are you a guy on a message board?
Squinch
Dec 2012
#78
and most of the unfit are telling us "how" we should talk to them, same as you.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#12
I view open, honest and respectful dialogue is the best way to reach anyone about any topic.
Kurska
Dec 2012
#16
Oh I do. But if you go through these threads you'll see evidence of many people there to
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#19
If you give up on that noble goal because of disrupters, then doesn't that mean they won? n/t
Kurska
Dec 2012
#21
If you give lip service to their "concerns" about how we talk about this.... the conversation
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#27
Lets say a man has a real and genuine concern that the conversation is stereotyping him as a rapist.
Kurska
Dec 2012
#28
if his ego concerns are more important than my health and welfare to the extent that's all he wants
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#36
Rapist are scum who put their basest sexual desires about the rights and well being of other people
niyad
Dec 2012
#6
You certainly won't find me among the number who say raping someone who is asleep is okay.
Kurska
Dec 2012
#31