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71. I was referring to the witch hunt bullshit

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:01 AM

Dec 2012

which is related to the "they blame all us men" straw man....
People do all sorts of shit stirring here, and that is where it started.

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The rape threads point to a larger need...revolutionary change in what it is to be "a man". [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2012 OP

I have a good place to start. A couple actually. Bonobo Dec 2012 #1

That's a good one...and it's within the power of men to do it. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #2

Ken, you are my hero. I had GREAT and GOOD men in my family on all sides roguevalley Dec 2012 #57

As a guy who has done a lot of things that many would call "manly" while in the military and stuff Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #3

Personally.... Bonobo Dec 2012 #4

I love your definition. smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #7

Great post TomClash Dec 2012 #11

Great post, thanks. Scuba Dec 2012 #20

love your story. sounds like human to me. seabeyond Dec 2012 #37

*Holds hand up as being descibed in paragraphs 1&3* Turborama Dec 2012 #10

I have worked at home for the last 18 years. Bonobo Dec 2012 #12

Wait, you agree with the op? Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #29

I agree that men need and deserve to not have the restrictions that bind them. Bonobo Dec 2012 #36

I was quite explicit. The paragraph cited. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #45

If you understand it so well, restate it. Bonobo Dec 2012 #59

What decade are you living in? sufrommich Dec 2012 #31

japan.... nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #38

Japan is a country. NT EOTE Dec 2012 #116

Thank you Ken for your thoughtful post. smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #5

I love what you wrote. MadrasT Dec 2012 #6

Approve. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #8

Unconvinced for two reasons Android3.14 Dec 2012 #9

How would you explain the high statistic in Sweden? leftstreet Dec 2012 #13

As British Prime Minister Disraeli once quipped, there are coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #16

Exactly. Android3.14 Dec 2012 #18

You simply cannot compare these statistics so simplistically. redqueen Dec 2012 #26

I get that leftstreet Dec 2012 #28

I wish people would read Android3.14 Dec 2012 #50

Rape numbers have dropped every year since internet porn Eyes of the World Dec 2012 #14

Do you have any source for the numbers you so blithely toss about? - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #19

Those numbers are SO popular. redqueen Dec 2012 #27

This is probably more accurate.... TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #43

"fightthenewdrug" list, among their 'scientific' sources, James Dobson and Donald Hilton. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #85

Will you be refuting the information re: the altered definitions of rape? redqueen Dec 2012 #89

According to the DOJ, the forcible rape rate has decreased approx. 25% since the 1992 peak. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #109

Forcible rape, are you kidding me? Whisp Dec 2012 #131

It's from the US Department of Justice. Their wording, not mine. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #142

"the UCR Program changed its definition of rape." Cerridwen Dec 2012 #133

Right, the definition was changed in 2011. The data reflects the old definition. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #140

Any article using that leaderu crap as a source is extremely tainted, imo... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #147

But rape is an issue about power. CTyankee Dec 2012 #22

Interesting theory....but... 2theleft Dec 2012 #24

the decline can also be the concerted effort of police force across the nation to downgrade rapes seabeyond Dec 2012 #40

yeah, no one has found a correlation. except for lonely teenaged boys, LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #55

For that to work, statistically, this would have to be a uniform concerted effort that has gotten Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #118

yes and you can find documention starting in the 90's. i have provided it so many times seabeyond Dec 2012 #123

You have provided it... Where? Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #124

you don't want to do something about the 25% of your friends and family that will be raped? bettyellen Dec 2012 #53

There's correlation there, but not necessarily causation. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #67

So we take away porn and men turn into rapists? ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #119

Nope. Porn doesnt prevent rape. Porn also doesnt CAUSE rape. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #126

Historically, the methods for doing so was castration FarCenter Dec 2012 #15

People are going to jump on you for pointing this out Renew Deal Dec 2012 #17

"witch hunts"? CTyankee Dec 2012 #25

My original message wasn't worded properly Renew Deal Dec 2012 #64

My OP didn't call for a war against men. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #68

But see. these posts are a reaction to crazy ideas in their heads...LOL.. now I'm wanting to deprive bettyellen Dec 2012 #74

we really cannot escape the fact that rape is 98% done by men. and we won't STFU because this bettyellen Dec 2012 #56

I'm not sure who you are referring to. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #63

I was referring to the witch hunt bullshit bettyellen Dec 2012 #71

Here's the problem with that Chathamization Dec 2012 #86

You can feel free to advocate for violence against men. BUT bettyellen Dec 2012 #90

Sorry, but Chathamization Dec 2012 #91

Sorry this OP is about lessening the violence men do. Just as the thread bettyellen Dec 2012 #93

"My issue" Chathamization Dec 2012 #105

You're issue was we're unfair to the small percentage of men who are victims because we bettyellen Dec 2012 #117

I took issue with your statement Chathamization Dec 2012 #122

You'd like to talk instead about women abusing men and its OT bettyellen Dec 2012 #135

No. Chathamization Dec 2012 #136

The original "witch hunts" actually led to men(often churchmen) having women burned to death. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #72

There have never been 'revolutionary' changes in human behavior. randome Dec 2012 #21

Women were essentially property until the end of the 19th century. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #30

Women still are property in a significant part of the world, and they rely on men elsewhere FarCenter Dec 2012 #34

Oh absolutely, and in many areas women's rights are diminishing. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #47

I meant 'revolutionary' in the sense of speed. randome Dec 2012 #39

The period of time: 1950-1980 not fast enough? Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #48

Thirty years is fast enough in an historical context. randome Dec 2012 #49

"revolutionary" doesn't have to mean instant. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #69

Ken, at the risk of sounding like one of those doctrinaire Soviets, I would argue that coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #23

Changing masculinity can, in fact, be part of the process of changing the system of exploitation. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #70

A beautiful and evocative description of dialectics (where superstructure coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #84

I think that it needs to be EVOLUTIONARY, ie BlueToTheBone Dec 2012 #32

Agree. bemildred Dec 2012 #33

K&R! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #35

love your post. it is easy in the parenting. no one looses. it is win, win, win seabeyond Dec 2012 #41

Great post, especially this: raccoon Dec 2012 #42

the fixation with winning and dominance at any cost is displayed in most posts attempting to quell bettyellen Dec 2012 #61

"It's on us men"? Okay, well here's the starting point: award child custody to fathers. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #44

why are all the man posts advocating for more for them, LOL. Porn, custody rights... bettyellen Dec 2012 #54

Are you saying award full custody to fathers? In all cases? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #79

Great post! Zorra Dec 2012 #46

At risk of being called misygonist jimlup Dec 2012 #51

The question of why false accusations of rape are occasionally made Ken Burch Dec 2012 #78

Trust me it does jimlup Dec 2012 #88

Wow- you suggest women who were raped should "get over it" because your wife did? bettyellen Dec 2012 #94

my wife was "raped" sufrommich Dec 2012 #95

Repulsive to suggest women should get over it bettyellen Dec 2012 #96

God ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #121

You put "rape" in scare quotes obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #97

There is so much wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin. Marrah_G Dec 2012 #100

But it's not a TOS violation because misogynistic crap bettyellen Dec 2012 #101

I alerted, it was allowed to stand 4-2. sufrommich Dec 2012 #102

MRA buddy, damn straight the MRA will tell us women false claim rape 45-75%, those.... right? seabeyond Dec 2012 #103

+ 100000. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #104

I was sexually molested when I was six lunatica Dec 2012 #106

I just feel like crying right now. sufrommich Dec 2012 #108

Todd Akin posts at DU apparently, hence the "legitimate rape" geek tragedy Dec 2012 #111

Trust me, if you have been raped you don't forget it, Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #112

Cool story, bro Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #114

how come no response to all the replies?? quinnox Dec 2012 #115

What a repulsive post. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #127

There are not "good" rape victims and "bad" rape victims. noamnety Dec 2012 #128

Your wife must be in hell. You make me want to puke out my lungs. CoffeeCat Dec 2012 #130

Why on Earth should we "trust" you and your "personal experience"? Heidi Dec 2012 #134

As I expected... I've been accused of Misgyony simple for expression my position. jimlup Dec 2012 #137

Oh no. You're guilty of much worse than misogyny. yardwork Dec 2012 #139

This is one of the worst things I've read on DU. Really? yardwork Dec 2012 #138

It's disturbing that you put the word "raped" in quote marks. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #143

Your post is an outrage and I alerted on it Tumbulu Dec 2012 #146

No, you get labeled a misogynist because you are a Todd Akin-style geek tragedy Dec 2012 #113

Perhaps, as a woman, s-cubed Dec 2012 #52

super enlightening comments after this blog post about how difficult friends and SOs can find it bettyellen Dec 2012 #58

I agree agent46 Dec 2012 #60

Not a man here either but K&R Tsiyu Dec 2012 #62

We can get at the cultural norm where "strength" = "ruthless brutality." DirkGently Dec 2012 #65

I never actually read the original post that seems to have started all this. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #66

some mens got upset that we feel more than the victims need education.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #73

I just think the meme is based on a dishonest premise. DirkGently Dec 2012 #75

Um... plenty here think "the onus of rape prevention should be on women" but you missed all that. bettyellen Dec 2012 #80

Well said marions ghost Dec 2012 #87

Rape is an emotional response. flvegan Dec 2012 #76

I think it's also a reaction to a sense of powerlessness, among other things Ken Burch Dec 2012 #77

No it isn't -- that is blaming the victim obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #98

Not blaming the victim at all...it's wrong to victimize anyone. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #144

Sorry ... I think your are missing the point The Traveler Dec 2012 #81

Actually, you're missing the point. KitSileya Dec 2012 #83

Great post. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #132

Very good tama Dec 2012 #82

Rape is the fault and responsibility of white cis gender hetrosexuals!! nt cecilfirefox Dec 2012 #92

Sociopaths rape obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #99

Thanks for posting this subject lunatica Dec 2012 #107

kicking to read Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #110

This is such a great post that really speaks the truth. I wish I could recommend it a million times LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #120

Men are victims of anti-feminism too lbrtbell Dec 2012 #125

Excellent post, Ken. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #129

society doesn't prize those things only in men, it prizes them *period,* in all things. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #141

Society prizes agressive women? I just peed myself!!!! bettyellen Dec 2012 #145