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Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
18. Seriously?
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:50 PM
Dec 2012

Give me an example of where teachers had freedom over how and what they taught. Or whether certain teachers were kept or were fired. Or hired in the first place.

Every step of the way, teachers have been told how to do their jobs. I have begun to wonder why we bother requiring them to have a college degree in education to teach. The local school boards make most of the decisions for the district, including who is hired or fired, number of teachers, curriculum, and how and where tax revenue is allocated. The state Board of Education dictates what is taught and sets up the testing. The federal Department of Education sets their own standards. And all of these bureaucracies are staffed by non-teachers, at least for the most part.

So you tell me, who mucked it up?

Weren't we leaving this up to teachers until we saw things sliding? dkf Dec 2012 #1
No. The teachers have always been left out of the reform game. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #3
But why did it need to be reformed? dkf Dec 2012 #8
Becuase silhouete2 Dec 2012 #11
It doesn't. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #12
+100,000 gollygee Dec 2012 #14
Bingo! We have a winner! lolly Dec 2012 #17
Because there's money in that, or because someone thought kids were learning the 'wrong' things Posteritatis Dec 2012 #13
People (and corporations) saw the giant revenue stream and wanted to get in on it. SharonAnn Dec 2012 #22
Bullshit we were "leaving it up to teachers" for a long time. That's never liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #4
But our spending is outsized compared to other countries. dkf Dec 2012 #10
Watch this: proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #16
We never were behind. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #27
True catrose Dec 2012 #31
How the banks that bought factories and companies JDPriestly Dec 2012 #5
You have my vote for best response! Tumbulu Dec 2012 #26
Thank you JDPriestly! n/t truedelphi Dec 2012 #53
When was it ever left up to teachers? gollygee Dec 2012 #6
Who else is there? Administrators? dkf Dec 2012 #19
Politicians gollygee Dec 2012 #21
That is the downside of bad performance. You open it up to bad fixes. dkf Dec 2012 #28
I didn't say bad performance started it gollygee Dec 2012 #38
1. ELECTED OFFICIALS proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #23
There was a time when our schools were the best. dkf Dec 2012 #29
We're in the top three worldwide proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #45
What particular time period are you talking about? Mariana Dec 2012 #49
You are repeating myths. roody Dec 2012 #51
UH--- silhouete2 Dec 2012 #9
+1 proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #15
Welcome to DU, silhouete2! And thank you for this post. calimary Dec 2012 #20
No that can't be the main problem. dkf Dec 2012 #25
Most of what you mention are problems of the fix. dkf Dec 2012 #24
It was mentioned above. wcast Dec 2012 #36
Back when the whole effort started, it was a big push in math TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #42
Okay that is the best explanation I have seen by far. dkf Dec 2012 #44
Some of the problem is that everything isn't as cut and dry as you'd like to make it silhouete2 Dec 2012 #43
I might accept your explanation if I didn't see how well Asian immigrants do in Hawaii. dkf Dec 2012 #47
I think you proved my point silhouete2 Dec 2012 #48
Seriously? Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #18
Teachers have never been in charge. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #30
Geez then what are we arguing about if teachers have never been in charge. dkf Dec 2012 #33
Yup. Schools have always been the scapegoat. knitter4democracy Dec 2012 #35
The perfect decided they knew better. Igel Dec 2012 #34
I think it began with your heart throb Ronald Reagan. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #37
administration is the bane of teaching. I can't go to my favorite restaurant roguevalley Dec 2012 #41
What did you see sliding? roody Dec 2012 #50
What changed it was Republicans pushing to privatize Education and a lot of people jumped sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #52
Amen. I grew up with teacher parents liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #2
Fixing sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #7
Drink the kool aid Danang1968 Dec 2012 #32
One of the last big pools of capital to privatize, public education funding Coyotl Dec 2012 #39
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #40
I am disgusted with how teachers are treated in this country obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #46
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