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liberal N proud

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2. FY12 Federal Budget Spending Estimates for Fiscal Years 2011 - 2016
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:47 PM
Dec 2012
https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:22,23,3,25,12,2,3,1,4,6&chl=Pensions%2022%|Health%20Care%2023%|Education%203%|Defense%2025%|Welfare%2012%|Protection%202%|Transportation%203%|General%20Government%201%|Other%20Spending%204%|Interest%206%&chtt=Budgeted%20Federal%20Spending%20for%20%20-%20FY%202012

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http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_budget_2012_4.html


Here's a webpage that says something else Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #1
Mandatory spending and interest on the debt is shown there at total 69%. Loudly Dec 2012 #3
How does mandatory spending equate to individual spending? liberal N proud Dec 2012 #4
Mandatory spending is so-called "entitlement programs." Loudly Dec 2012 #5
Social Security is NOT an entitlement! liberal N proud Dec 2012 #14
Sure it is. What do you mean? Even the Social Security Administration calls it that: Loudly Dec 2012 #19
Wat he means is that Social Security is not a welfare program and is not part of the federal budget PSPS Dec 2012 #21
Excess FICA collections available to borrow from the Trust Fund Loudly Dec 2012 #24
Actually, Social Security and Medicare are paid for out of JDPriestly Dec 2012 #32
Not true, about 42% of Medicare spending comes from general revenue... PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #41
why do you lump interest on the debt (6%) in there? SS & Medicare are the bulk of spending HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
$3 trillion of federal debt is owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. Loudly Dec 2012 #22
You're double counting. The interest owed to the TF so far is already *in* the TF. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #23
When it accrues to the trust fund it becomes added to the deficit. Loudly Dec 2012 #25
SS is running surpluses. $69 Billion in 2011. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #26
That's pretty illusory though. Loudly Dec 2012 #28
As I recall, that is Reaganomics. That was a Reagan administration JDPriestly Dec 2012 #36
Illusory? How so? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #38
Exactly. The payroll tax cut was ultimately made up for by borrowing. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #43
Plus all the payroll or Social Security and Medicare JDPriestly Dec 2012 #35
I think it's not quite like that. Say there's $1000 in the TF, representing a debt the gov't HiPointDem Dec 2012 #39
My generation was overtaxes because the baby boomers JDPriestly Dec 2012 #40
yes, i agree. just saying that the long-term effect of the tax holiday isn't so clear. there's no HiPointDem Dec 2012 #47
hmmm... wildbilln864 Dec 2012 #20
No. Let's look at some of the things that are not payments to individuals BlueStreak Dec 2012 #29
Should social security and medicare be considered part of the Federal Budget? Nikia Dec 2012 #8
Medicare is certainly part of the federal budget, PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #10
That chart includes Social Security as part of the budget. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #31
When excess FICA and self-employment collections were lent to the general fund Loudly Dec 2012 #33
FY12 Federal Budget Spending Estimates for Fiscal Years 2011 - 2016 liberal N proud Dec 2012 #2
So what? "For the people" and all that. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #6
Exactly. Why wouldn't it be 100% of the government costs going to the benefit of Americans? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30
SS/Medicare are individual assistance. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #7
If he is including these as Federal budget, it is inconsistent to then say Nikia Dec 2012 #9
The RW media assholes are usually pretty careful to say that the 47% Mariana Dec 2012 #15
Of course they pay Federal Income Tax. tsuki Dec 2012 #27
They are not worthless to those of us who are retired or baby JDPriestly Dec 2012 #37
You might want to take a look at Flemming v. Nestor. Mariana Dec 2012 #42
The law about the Trust Fund changed in the 1980s. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #45
I certainly hope so, but for now, the 1960 decision stands. Mariana Dec 2012 #46
good catch. we should use their tactics and say that workers at all levels fund half the budget. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #17
Merely for those who might be interested (and willing to read a lot of tables)... 2naSalit Dec 2012 #11
it's wrong. get a bunch of others together & send a letter of complaint with the correct data. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12
Harper's index had an interesting statistic Democrats_win Dec 2012 #13
or maybe poverty has been defined down. some evidence for that, too. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #18
His ass nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #34
Ironic that 70% of what he says is horse shit. L0oniX Dec 2012 #44
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