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In reply to the discussion: No, I will not feel gender guilt [View all]mythology
(9,527 posts)Look at who is tossing out name calling in this discussion. I see a lot of people saying anybody who isn't getting the pitchforks and torches being called misogynists or rape apologists. If the insults stop, perhaps a reasonable discussion can occur.
I will agree that nobody has specifically said that men are collectively responsible for rape. But that's the obvious implication of all the posts saying that men allow a rape culture to go on, or that men need to stop other men from raping. To me, that is absolutely saying that as a whole men are responsible for rape. I can't think of another possible explanation for saying that men need to stop rape culture if we aren't the cause.
As for your contention that women shouldn't have to be responsible for their safety, I don't expect to get into a car accident when I drive, but I still put my seatbelt on because if I do get into an accident it could save my life. I don't expect to have my stuff stolen, but I don't leave my computer sitting on the front porch either. I don't think it's offensive to say that people should be aware of their surroundings no matter the circumstances. I think it's prudent, and I disagree vehemently that it's blaming the victim. But if I say that, I will be labeled a misogynist.
And of course most rapes are committed by people known to the victim. As far as I know all crime is more likely to be committed by people known to the victim. Most crimes are one of opportunity. People known to the victim will have more opportunities.