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Response to ProSense (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:53 PM

20. Sorry to the ACLU, but one point is directly contradicted...

No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under his administration.


The known treatment of Bradley Manning represents torture under the Obama administration. If one wants to get around that by claiming no extraordinary rendition was involved in Manning's case, that's hardly an excuse. Torture is torture.

The known treatment of Guantanamo prisoners (another suicide last week of a man known and acknowledged to be innocent of "terrorism" charges) as it has continued under Obama also constitutes "torture or other cruelty."

Failing to hold those responsible accountable is the most essential failing. It means that torture has not been ended, it is merely waiting for the next administration willing to be more obvious about torture.

Subjecting populations to bombing campaigns with all the attendant trauma especially to children may not qualify legally as torture but it is certainly a cruelty.

And we'll take on faith that there are no more CIA (or other agency?) secret prisons, since that is all we have when $80 billion a year in federal spending is black budget (2/3 to private entitties) and a host of self-financed covert and parapolitical organizations are still in place.

Hooray for the steps, it's still far from justice or success.

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