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TeamsterDem

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5. Teaching kids about what constitutes voluntary sex is a fairly simple thing to do
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 12:35 PM
Dec 2012

"If you both want it the entire time then it's consensual. If at any point either party is unable to say no or does in fact want the contact to stop, proceeding would constitute rape - there are no exceptions to that rule." I'm not sure what "lesson" or "education" there is beyond that, at least not to those who'll heed its advice.

It's not offensive that some men, particularly students and the younger ones, should have some formal idea of what constitutes rape. It is, however, offensive to the point of bigotry to say that "men" need lessons, as that implies all men need to be told what most already know, and if they don't are almost universally the kind who don't know because they don't want to know - e.g. violators. "Men" are not universally ignorant or poorly educated vis-a-vis rape. Some groups of men might be less educated than others, and they should have means by which to be educated as to what rape is and what it means to stay quiet about it. For those groups it would not only not be offensive but would likely be a very good idea.

most of all, don't try to discuss any of this with some men, because their egos are MORE IMPORTANT bettyellen Dec 2012 #1
I understand about the blow to their egos noamnety Dec 2012 #2
I've learned on DU that *some* men need to give their blessing to what and how us women discuss bettyellen Dec 2012 #4
well, i am hearing from some women that if we talk about it out loud, we are being delicate flowers. seabeyond Dec 2012 #7
Link? polly7 Dec 2012 #36
Which male poster here said they had to give their blessing before polly7 Dec 2012 #37
yes yes yes. lol, then go to a siminar how to prevent rape and ignore it all to not hurt mens feeler seabeyond Dec 2012 #6
It is *never* okay to be drunk and alone, anywhere lapislzi Dec 2012 #8
I work with a lot of women ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #3
Teaching kids about what constitutes voluntary sex is a fairly simple thing to do TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #5
How would you go about identifying those groups? Confusious Dec 2012 #9
I think I was fairly clear about the groups I would individually target TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #15
That's not what I got Confusious Dec 2012 #24
You got the wrong impression. That's who I was talking about. nt TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #26
Would you recommend lessons for university women noamnety Dec 2012 #11
anyone who gets angry when some are trying to spread important information is suspect, IMHO bettyellen Dec 2012 #13
Well, there's a large difference between telling people how to act in accordance with law TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #16
you're okay with leaving out education for men, solely because some feel they've already heard it. bettyellen Dec 2012 #18
I see the hour delay didn't help your reading comprehension TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #25
you just said there was a vast difference, now.... there isn't? bettyellen Dec 2012 #31
You're harassing me by continuing our disagreement ALL OVER DU TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #34
U followed me. And repeatedly engaged in direct personal insults, which are a TOS violation. bettyellen Dec 2012 #42
"Who and what are we to teach?" Zorra Dec 2012 #10
It's not all men, but almost all women know the fear... boston bean Dec 2012 #12
I remember one man here very angry that woman might ever be afraid of men. So angry that I thought bettyellen Dec 2012 #14
Unfortunately sexism and gender issues often force some to pick a side without respect to facts TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #17
link? nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #19
He's calling me out, because he misread an OP- believed it to be a slur calling all men rapists... bettyellen Dec 2012 #23
oh betty, i have read enough of the posters posts in the last day to KNOW the bullshit and seabeyond Dec 2012 #27
No, I only dismiss YOU out of hand because you repeatedly lie about what I said TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #30
As in the last thread, it wasn't about YOU. We never discussed women fearing men, you're imagining bettyellen Dec 2012 #38
stop the lies and I'll stop telling you that you're a liar TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #39
No, you're going around in unrelated threads referencing our disagreement TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #28
How in the heck does ANYONE make it to adulthood noamnety Dec 2012 #29
That would be a feat, of course I never claimed that which you're now putting in my mouth TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #32
Did you mean to reply to someone else here? noamnety Dec 2012 #44
after being in the marines and a fraternity no less, LOL. Can you BELIEVE that shite? bettyellen Dec 2012 #33
More harassment. LET IT GO. TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #35
and some make up crazy stories about their lives that no one believes! bettyellen Dec 2012 #20
Yes, like yours inventing out of whole cloth what I said and didn't say TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #22
Similarly to the way racism and racial prejudice forces one to take a side? etherealtruth Dec 2012 #41
Men need to be taught that no means no and drunkeness is not consent. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #21
Agreed on both counts TeamsterDem Dec 2012 #40
a good lesson for both young men and women: If you fail to respect what women say..... bettyellen Dec 2012 #43
Schrödinger’s Rapist !! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #46
there are some great links posted within this "controversial" post : bettyellen Dec 2012 #50
From what I gather on all this is that I should suffer from male gender guilt Earth_First Dec 2012 #45
I'm asking what you would teach your daughter, if you have one, noamnety Dec 2012 #47
link? because NO ONE HERE SAID THAT bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
How on earth do you "gather" thucythucy Dec 2012 #52
a lesson for both men and women: If you fail to respect what women say,.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #48
I am a rape survivor & I feel like some women here are way over the top about what constitutes abuse peacebird Dec 2012 #51
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