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Tsiyu

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46. Okay this is really a stupid OP
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:46 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:25 AM - Edit history (1)

Sorry fumesucker, but it sucks.

First off, the singer only ASSUMES he is a "strong persuader." Nowhere in the lyrics does it paint a picture of the neighbor woman saying "no" and then relenting.

For all this guy knows, she wanted it as bad as he does, but he's convinced himself - as so many humans do - that he is "all that and a bag of chips."


This is only one side of the story. For all we know, she fantasized about HIM for a long time before sleeping with the guy, but he's such a narcissist, he can only think about his own impulses.

TO try to use these lyrics to apologize for men who can't control their penises, or to apologize for sexual bullies, is so sophomoric you should be ashamed.

I assume you are hetero ( and you appear to be rather jealous of those who can coerce women into sex ) but let me ask you this. If a gay man asks you for sex and you say no quite clearly, how long would you want him to keep trying? If he gets you too drunk to think, but sweet talks you into sex while you're inebriated, is that rape?

If your male boss tells you you'll be fired unless you accept his penis in your anus, and you consent under duress, is it rape? According to your logic, it wouldn't be rape because "coercion" is acceptable behavior from someone who needs an orgasm right?

These threads really point out how many men refuse to evolve. It's sad and sickening, really.









Adultery IMO. NT NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #1
Strong persuader implies that the woman was reluctant. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #2
The man *thinks* he's a strong persuader, maybe he's not all that. NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #5
Eh, as I stated in the OP, I've known men like that, they aren't all that unusual Fumesucker Nov 2012 #19
Making a case ... a.k.a. persuasion Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #24
It's all a matter of perspective Fumesucker Nov 2012 #28
Where do you see badgering and bullying here? Chorophyll Nov 2012 #34
I'm sure you enjoy repeated telemarketing calls after you tell them to stop Fumesucker Dec 2012 #52
so is using salesmanship rape? "baby, i really love you, you're so beautiful..." If so, there's HiPointDem Dec 2012 #44
I didn't say that, but there are others who implied that and will not post on this thread Fumesucker Dec 2012 #47
persuading is not rape Enrique Nov 2012 #3
If you have to persuade someone to do something it doesn't sound like enthusiastic participation Fumesucker Nov 2012 #4
From what I've learned on DU, pretty much any man who can pick out more than 2 chords on Schema Thing Nov 2012 #6
Oh shit. dawg Nov 2012 #8
"f"???? Hell, even I feel my resistance waning... must not let dawgs...aaarrggghhh Schema Thing Nov 2012 #9
Guitarzan? Is that you? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #20
Do you actually know any women? Chorophyll Nov 2012 #36
Your sarcasmometer has exploded again Fumesucker Nov 2012 #42
No. dawg Nov 2012 #7
Sounds like an affair that meant more to her, than to him n/t SoCalDem Nov 2012 #10
Infidelity is the theme of the song abbeyco Nov 2012 #11
Anything less than enthusiastic participation is rape Fumesucker Nov 2012 #12
The song is about a woman talked into cheating abbeyco Nov 2012 #21
This man clearly talked an initially unwilling woman into sex Fumesucker Nov 2012 #22
If you gave in because someone was bugging you... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #25
THIS! redqueen Nov 2012 #23
I saw a standard put forth on DU that turns most if not all seduction into rape Fumesucker Nov 2012 #31
Simply the one word PERSUADER does not imply coersion. redqueen Nov 2012 #39
This was a married woman who lived right next door, on the other side of the thin walls. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #40
I for one am eternally grateful for it. cliffordu Dec 2012 #43
I love it, redqueen is now defending a man for whom a woman is "only another notch on my guitar" Fumesucker Dec 2012 #50
So garden variety seduction is rape now? cliffordu Nov 2012 #13
It's not *my* thesis.. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #14
How about begging? cliffordu Nov 2012 #16
Apparently begging is coercion which equals rape.. Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #26
" Next, just ASKING is going to be attempted rape" opiate69 Nov 2012 #18
Am I the only one who hears some remorse in this song? nolabear Nov 2012 #15
I'm not sure how anyone could not hear remorse in the song Fumesucker Nov 2012 #17
Seriously, Famesucker, why are you doing this? Squinch Nov 2012 #27
I'm not joking about anything. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #29
You are making light of it. Squinch Nov 2012 #30
I've always taken no for an answer Fumesucker Nov 2012 #32
I've heard this song about four million times and I never thought it was about rape... Chorophyll Nov 2012 #33
I'm not the one trolling Fumesucker Nov 2012 #38
"Shiny Happy People" is about taking heroin and ecstasy together. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #35
You're cute when you're being sarcastic Fumesucker Nov 2012 #37
Irony I can deal with Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #41
You ask if a Work of Fiction is about a rapist? Email the author. Want to know what it's like to... Melinda Dec 2012 #45
Eh, I was molested as a young teen Fumesucker Dec 2012 #48
Eh? Melinda Dec 2012 #55
As I said elsewhere, I told no one of what happened to me until I was well into my forties Fumesucker Dec 2012 #57
Okay this is really a stupid OP Tsiyu Dec 2012 #46
I've been a victim of a sexual predator myself Fumesucker Dec 2012 #49
Sorry, your OP is still stupid Tsiyu Dec 2012 #51
I think it would be anal rape, yes Fumesucker Dec 2012 #53
Oh, don't change your tune now Tsiyu Dec 2012 #54
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional Fumesucker Dec 2012 #56
ahhh no. madrchsod Dec 2012 #58
"Anything less than enthusiastic participation" is not necessarily criminally actionable. nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #59
I just PM'ed one of the guys in the band who helped WRITE this song - cliffordu Dec 2012 #60
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