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In reply to the discussion: Meet the Predators (men need to learn how to recognize and fight rape culture) [View all]bettyellen
(47,209 posts)41. Sometimes my refined sensibilities get hurt too
But if people are discussing an issue important to them, I'd never charge in like a bull demanding they stop. Sheesh, I guess I never had that kind if entitlement though.
I thought the link was thought provoking to say the least, wish i had that and email 25 years ago....
so thanks right back at ya.
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Meet the Predators (men need to learn how to recognize and fight rape culture) [View all]
redqueen
Nov 2012
OP
I could say 'the ubiquitous aspects of human culture which enable rapists and the epidemic of
redqueen
Nov 2012
#13
It's about their ego.... So much so they need to deny the reality and the import
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#60
Partly true. 92-96% of men are heavily invested in the fact that they're not rapists.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#180
so much so, they absolutely refuse to listen or to help women out, I know. So sad their egos get the
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#214
i do not define myself as a gender and love so many of them men on du.... and i dont stay out of the
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#199
Actually it is "culture" because acceptable sexism and "rights of women" or lack there of...
vaberella
Dec 2012
#143
So you're using examples from decades in the past to describe the present?
The Doctor.
Dec 2012
#270
"The rapists can’t be your friends, and..." That is where this runs off the tracks.
ieoeja
Nov 2012
#22
Sorry, but most men have literally ZERO to do with this "rape culture" of which the author speaks
TeamsterDem
Nov 2012
#27
haha speaking of bruised egos and what not, might wanna reread your frothing response
TeamsterDem
Nov 2012
#30
It is in the fucking OP: 4-8% of men are responsible for the vast majority of rapes. nt
redqueen
Nov 2012
#36
Yeah. How dare we consider the epidemic levels of sexual violene as more important
redqueen
Nov 2012
#40
Ah, so you've never PERSONALLY done the things you claim to know so well, then
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#92
Please point me to my quote where I said it's not my problem. If you can't, admit you're lying
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#176
Oh my sweet Jesus, just when I thought you couldn't possibly get any dumber you went and did
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#204
I'm not calling you a liar. I just said your account of things seemed overly defensive.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#139
Do you have difficulty reading written words? You keep saying I said something that I didn't
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#65
The OP also says "men need lessons" as if we're a bunch of idiots who don't know already that rape
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#77
Well if you really want to be honest about the world, you can't always use perfectly polite language
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#108
You claim you purposely avoid awful misogynist men-also that you've never seen or heard misogynist
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#172
No, I said I avoid types which might turn out to be bad acquaintances later on
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#175
you jumped the shark a while ago. but you go double down if your ego needs it so badly.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#179
As I don't buy your pompous judgments of others, nor will I cede an argument I believe in
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#184
wow, thanks for allowing me to have my own opinion without the threat of PM stalking, LOL.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#190
Does that pass for wit in your circles? Or is it pretty much seen as every bit as pathetic as it is
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#194
No, you're engaging in stereotyping by supporting someone who said "men need education"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#45
You claim you're completely ignorant that misogynistic behavior happens, but are
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#53
Sometimes I think DU's biggest problem of all, is people's compulsive need to engage in sophistry.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#83
It most certainly IS NOT the culture despite the fact that unfortunately it does happen
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#215
DERP-you think there's just one single culture of men out there? Every school,company,neighborhood
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#237
For reference, I didn't call you childish because you're female, I did so because it's the truth
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#123
I didn't make the topic about males, the OP did that by saying "men need to learn"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#137
I wouldn't call you a misogynist, but you do seem to be belittling the subject of misogyny.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#135
Show me one example where I stereotyped anyone or put words in their mouths
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#141
I think the point is you've been SEVERELY OVERREACTING this whole time.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#133
Ahh yes, everyone who takes offense at being stereotyped is always overreacting and emotional
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#170
The point is you threw a fit about "stereotyping" in the midst of a thread
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#151
No, in a thread about men's attitudes towards rape I both gave my own attitude
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#156
Your *whole argument* is a strawman. Again, *no one* on this thread is lumping all men together
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#159
"men need to learn" with reference to not supporting rape is the very definition
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#164
"Stow the attitude"? Considering what she just described, that's a really self-centered post.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#122
I didn't cause their suffering or misfortune, thus I don't deserve the attitude for it
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#128
It just wasn't the thing to say right at that moment. Came off as insensitive.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#160
Tough. I don't owe anyone niceties or sensitivity. I do owe them the truth and that's what I've
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#167
The truth about an ex frat boy marine who's heard nary a misogynist word spoken his whole life?
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#174
LOL, your reply is about how you successfully stereotype people who "look" misogynist? Ha ha.
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#181
Uh, making judgments about who you want to be friends with based on their attitudes
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#185
Human behavior isn't divided into black-and-white categories. It's a CONTIUUM.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#79
"Who said I was 'squeaky clean'"? You just gave an exaggerated impression of such, that's all.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#99
Uh, saying I haven't hung around with rapists is hardly giving an impression of prudishness
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#114
Yes, it is serious. Your taxonomy of the degrees of offense doesn't diminish what others feel
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#134
How is being "stereotyped" anywhere near as serious as being fucking RAPED???
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#153
Maybe not such an unreasonable post, but it comes off as awfully self-centered.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#74
The holier-than-thou part was intentional as I find it holier-than-thou that
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#78
Again, why so defensive? It seems completely out proportion to any potential harm done you.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#110
You just contradicted yourself. Either this stuff is serious and important, or it's not.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#157
Man you're either dim or intentionally obtuse to a degree I've never seen before
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#166
and either he's seen not one bit of misogyny in his whole life, or he's worked to avoid associating
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#177
If you're not saying majority then stop using the universal word "men" which means all of them
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#47
It's not so much about you. More about the poster who took over this whole thread
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#158
It wasn't in reference to that particular post, rather to the broader theme
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#70
i have often found your "rape culture" posts to be accusatory and offensive
arely staircase
Nov 2012
#37
Not as petty as some of the responses on this thread (not necessarily yours). Just saying...
nomorenomore08
Dec 2012
#105
I'm beginning to think you are right too.... One warning sign it took me a while to learn
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#240
We have rape culture proponents right here at DU, men who post stuff like this:
geek tragedy
Dec 2012
#260
After reading this op and the responses I find myself thinking of what happens when
retread
Dec 2012
#121
People insisting upon fair treatment are often "cacophonous" and seen as "rigid"
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#196
I agree. That would be more than fair, it'd be human. And about past time that they do, too. nt
TeamsterDem
Dec 2012
#205
it makes me think of my cousin, I remember how he'd have people wincing with some of the nasty shit
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#230
but you see, many guys will argue that the pocket of culture you stumbled upon doesn't exist at all
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#226
One male 'genius' on DU said since he didn't personally think that women felt any more fear than men
redqueen
Dec 2012
#208
Family is tricky. I'd base my reactions around his current situation. Is he still having exploitive
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#241
yep, assholes drag everyone into their messy lives one way or another if you let them
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#248
One thing I'd ask, don't women have just as much of a responsibility to combat it too?
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2012
#263