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jtuck004

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24. That is an assumption. There is no value until the loans are paid off.
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:53 PM
Nov 2012

And their pensions or 401K's are very likely to be collateral, and very, very likely to be underfunded, and thus another liability.

How about an analogy?

"Hey mom, I am giving you my house that I can't sell. I took out a new mortgage and took all the cash, but I am GIVING you the home, and the mortgage for you to pay. You should be able to sell it for a profit in a few years. Because they never go down, the Bernanke said so. Regardless, I got money, and it's gonna be a GREAT Christmas".

From a financial perspective he gave an asset, attached to several liabilities, got paid, and it may or may not work out for them. He and his family walk away with a few million, but it will be years before most of the employees know whether they get anything but a paycheck from this, except for, perhaps, a few that retire earlier.

And despite what was said, there is nothing out there that indicates there was ever any offer for the business from anyone else, which is very likely in such a competitive and likely to fail arena. So he and the family took the out that would give them some serious cash, and left whatever happens in the future with others.

You can drive down the street in just the town I am in and I can show you four major groceries sitting empty, all different names, all with more resources than this gentleman had, all failed. And they are all over the country, just takes a little web searching.

Again, not dissing the deal, but people are leaving out a bunch of really important reality to fluff up a story. And that's bullshit.

But nothing new. People see saints in the impressions in their taco sauce, so it doesn't surprise me that people make up their own reality about this deal either. Hey, 47% voted for RobMe - if that doesn't support a theory of mass delusion, I don't know what does.


I love this guy. yellerpup Nov 2012 #1
Gotta love his sons also. Chips off the old block. Good family. Booster Nov 2012 #22
No doubt about it. yellerpup Nov 2012 #29
I was skeptical about the sons... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #38
Bravo! K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #2
Wow LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #3
Now THAT is a true American hero and business man! ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2012 #4
"You can't always take. You also have to give back." Barack_America Nov 2012 #5
I wonder if the employees will sell it for a quick payout. I wonder if the buyers who were HiPointDem Nov 2012 #6
First they have to tpay off the debt they took on, the proceeds of which go to jtuck004 Nov 2012 #10
I caught that too, but it does not negate the gift. Lucky Luciano Nov 2012 #19
That is an assumption. There is no value until the loans are paid off. jtuck004 Nov 2012 #24
There is still value to the equity. Lucky Luciano Nov 2012 #27
Of course, never stated otherwise. What I always question is the size of the equity. jtuck004 Nov 2012 #32
edit: never mind, i see the debt is for the esop shares. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #21
Good man. If only Sam Walton had done so instead of passing his business onto his greedy offspring. freshwest Nov 2012 #7
What does John Walton leaving his sawmill to his children itsrobert Nov 2012 #15
Well John Boy and Jim Bob seemed to have quite a bit of business experience. japple Nov 2012 #20
Yeah, I did. But I won't be around much for a while. So have at. freshwest Dec 2012 #42
you can't trust those mountain folk... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #39
He should be able to shop free adieu Nov 2012 #8
A True "Job Creator." Caeser67 Nov 2012 #9
Damn shame this femrap Nov 2012 #11
He even looks like such a nice guy! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #12
Awesome! A true American. blackspade Nov 2012 #13
What a great way to do business.... midnight Nov 2012 #14
K&R for this great guy MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #16
What a great guy!! LOVE this story. rivegauche Nov 2012 #17
bravo dionysus Nov 2012 #18
But, But... this is Marxism!!! no, no NO!!! Iggy Nov 2012 #23
Maybe the owner could sense the jig was up? Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #28
Heh Heh.... Right Iggy Nov 2012 #30
Mitt Romney needs to meet THIS guy for Lunch flying-skeleton Nov 2012 #25
Another story that makes me cry. Democratopia Nov 2012 #26
THIS GUY IS FUCKING WIN BEYOND WORDS! ElboRuum Nov 2012 #31
We knew him and also his sons. A wonderful family. glinda Dec 2012 #33
Mr. Lueken and family, thank you for your generosity. I'm so saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #34
Correct me if I"m wrong, but he's selling his stores to his employees zaj Dec 2012 #35
It is a sale to the employees paid for by profits that the store makes. Lucky Luciano Dec 2012 #41
This says it all: "You can't always take. You also have to give back." calimary Dec 2012 #36
Minnesota Nice! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #37
"For free?" Free to the employees, but it sounds like he's still making out. high density Dec 2012 #40
oh wow that's cool/ k/r nt limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #43
Kudos to Joe Lueken! AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #44
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