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ArcticFox

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44. So-called REAL JOBS aren't coming back

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:10 PM

Nov 2012

Unless and until the employers have to pay a living wage to every worker.

As long as any sector of labor agrees to work for mere survival wages (or less), everyone will continue to see their wages fall.

This has happened before. Many times. It often ends in revolution.

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MCDONALD'S STRIKER: 'They're Not Paying Us Enough To Survive' [View all] xchrom Nov 2012 OP

I support a living wage for all who work... Magoo48 Nov 2012 #1

x1000 libtodeath Nov 2012 #4

I can't imagine trying to survive in NYC on Lopez's hourly rate: $8.75/hr.! snappyturtle Nov 2012 #2

I was thinking the very same thing. PotatoChip Nov 2012 #16

People double, triple or quadruple up, in illegally converted closeupready Nov 2012 #23

Yes. People do what they've got to do, I suppose. PotatoChip Nov 2012 #31

I find it most sad that our youth, the future, is so blighted with circumstances to eek snappyturtle Nov 2012 #68

I find it hard to believe how many are willing to sell out the future generations Live and Learn Nov 2012 #102

Yep. I think it's called immediate greed satisfaction. nt snappyturtle Nov 2012 #108

And the wealthy are ate up with it. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #137

In NYC that doesn't just apply to Mcdonalds workers. Mr.Turnip Nov 2012 #110

For newcomers, it's difficult. If you've been here a while, though, closeupready Nov 2012 #112

It's not just corporate greed, Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #74

Exactamundo AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #76

Hello, Hot Springs Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #78

I'm afraid not AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #81

Do you have a local paper there in Hot Springs Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #84

Sentinel - Record AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #113

ADG is one of the media groups I was referring to Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #119

By the way , I really like your user name Art_from_Ark Nov 2012 #80

Thank you sir AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #118

Interesting... greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #3

... xchrom Nov 2012 #5

+1 Chellee Nov 2012 #7

Exactly my reaction. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #10

Ha greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #12

50K is three times that amount. EOTE Nov 2012 #32

Sure there is. greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #41

Wow, you really believe that paying a living wage means $20 big macs? EOTE Nov 2012 #42

+1 dchill Nov 2012 #63

When I read that other poster's remarks Doremus Nov 2012 #70

I'm sitting in a McD's right now. progressoid Nov 2012 #62

Oh my, I was dealing with the SAME income argument with some right winger on facebook recently! alp227 Nov 2012 #88

What's really sad is McD's could give most of these folks a 50% raise and they madinmaryland Dec 2012 #120

thank you Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #38

Don't go there ever apparently- if you do, you would notice JCMach1 Nov 2012 #8

What type of jobs do you think people have migrated to when they Skidmore Nov 2012 #9

You obviously have never been unemployed. Stonepounder Nov 2012 #13

I most certainly have been unemployed... greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #83

How much is a "living wage," anyway? Do the math. klook Nov 2012 #104

I manage a McDonalds so know exactly what everyone makes sarisataka Nov 2012 #15

It's supposed to be a job for teens lbrtbell Nov 2012 #17

So-called REAL JOBS aren't coming back ArcticFox Nov 2012 #44

And what pray tell will those jobs be doing? Fearless Nov 2012 #54

If it's a part-time job for kids.. quietly Nov 2012 #18

... leftstreet Nov 2012 #30

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #46

Well said! smokey nj Nov 2012 #49

Well put! wryter2000 Nov 2012 #51

Greedy and heartless people Tsiyu Nov 2012 #69

ha! anarch Nov 2012 #87

I think they let kids out early if they work and are in a school sponsored club sammytko Nov 2012 #107

"Some jobs aren't supposed to pay a livable wage despite corporate profits." noamnety Nov 2012 #25

Wages aren't set by profits of the employer. They're set by skill level and # of applicants Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #77

And what for those that can't find any better paying job? frostfern Nov 2012 #90

You don't get paid more because you need it. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #116

And you are obnoxiously ignorant and out of touch with modern reality... frostfern Dec 2012 #125

Oh, you mean by expensive degrees and licenses! Live and Learn Nov 2012 #103

Exactly! Very well said. klook Nov 2012 #105

Are you going to raise your children to have "careers" at Burger King? Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #115

You don't need an expensive degree to make good money. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #114

Actually, "flipping burgers" requires a great deal of multitasking Live and Learn Dec 2012 #124

Nah. I used to flip burgers. I've done a # of jobs. Flipping burgers requires no special Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #128

I am pretty sure I wouldn't be good at it, Live and Learn Dec 2012 #130

Actually working fast food does require skill... frostfern Dec 2012 #126

Minimum wage in TX is $7.25 hr to start. (exceptions for teens & students) Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #129

And where do you get those skills, Honey? Live and Learn Dec 2012 #131

Where you get skills. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #134

Lol so now wages are based on instincts. nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #135

There are a lot of adults working there, in fact. I worked there TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #34

My god... greytdemocrat Nov 2012 #85

The minimum wage should be between fifteen and twenty dollars per hour. Occulus Nov 2012 #96

Like the "real world" in Australia Tsiyu Nov 2012 #111

I agree Soundman Nov 2012 #37

I have no idea why anyone would discourage ANY worker, no matter TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #39

+1000 Fearless Nov 2012 #55

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #132

It's not the same as it was when we were kids Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #40

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #133

Bigger problems like what? treestar Nov 2012 #53

I agree man! ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #61

Damn good post! smokey nj Nov 2012 #67

Your post flies in the face of the idea that workers have a choice to unionize. It's insulting. nt Selatius Nov 2012 #73

in other countries you can survive on it, is our country so crappy that we can't? CreekDog Nov 2012 #97

Are you a time traveller from the 1960's or something? Nowadays, "good" jobs are hard to find.nt raccoon Dec 2012 #139

And they have been getting away with it for a long long time. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #6

the demographics of these workers has changed since 2008 JCMach1 Nov 2012 #11

Thank you. ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #99

The State raises the minimum wage. These workers should demand a minimum wage hike. Sunlei Nov 2012 #14

"This company has enough money to pay us..." DaveJ Nov 2012 #21

What gives these corporations the right to even do this? fasttense Nov 2012 #19

Exactly! Sadiedog Nov 2012 #79

As a former McDonald's worker (long, long ago) JDPriestly Nov 2012 #20

whoa, really, unemployment benefits>min wage back then? alp227 Nov 2012 #91

Back then, I had worked somewhere else and accumulated JDPriestly Dec 2012 #123

This is a prime example of the state of our economy. olegramps Nov 2012 #22

My wife works at a community college KansDem Nov 2012 #26

I hate the misnamed "Right-to-Work" law. It should have been named the madinmaryland Dec 2012 #121

Amen. My state has that dumbass law. Orwellian name if ever there was one. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #140

Occupy, the Wal-Mart strikes...... marmar Nov 2012 #24

Heh heh. Methinks it's just the beginning. DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #35

I'm just waiting to see who's going to be the "Marie Antonette" this time. Chan790 Nov 2012 #65

WORKERS' SPRING 2013! alp227 Nov 2012 #92

... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #138

Tax payers are subsidizing these greedy bastards' employees malaise Nov 2012 #27

And it spreads...good. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #28

The idea that "kids" should get paid less is particularly insidious My Good Babushka Nov 2012 #29

To clarify, it is a "Shift Manager" in NYC making $8.75/hour and not merely a "burger-flipper." RadiationTherapy Nov 2012 #33

So that makes it even worse. white_wolf Nov 2012 #36

That is the same rate I'm aware of in New England... Fearless Nov 2012 #56

We need a living wage law Cali_Democrat Nov 2012 #43

Not sure I understand the logic of OnionPatch Nov 2012 #45

They have an allergic reaction to paying 1 penny xchrom Nov 2012 #47

Funny how these folks never question CEO compensation, isn't it? smokey nj Nov 2012 #48

+1 xchrom Nov 2012 #50

Absolutely! Fearless Nov 2012 #59

Solidarity!!! With the living seeds of the future of this country! Are we going to OPPRESS them? or patrice Nov 2012 #52

Is there something we could all do to help a lot of them? raging moderate Nov 2012 #60

It's too bad we don't have Politicalboi Nov 2012 #57

They NEVER DID pay us enough to survive. I worked for McD's in the seventies... 1monster Nov 2012 #58

To all the right wing assholes on here. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #64

+1 n/t Chan790 Nov 2012 #66

Great post Tsiyu Nov 2012 #71

(Scrooge accent) Well the poor chaps need to be wearing rags and begging for pennies on the street! alp227 Nov 2012 #93

Jesus Loves You! Tsiyu Nov 2012 #109

This deserves a thread of it's own! +100 lonestarnot Nov 2012 #82

This post is long overdue. bullwinkle428 Nov 2012 #86

Yup nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #94

Here, here! ChaoticTrilby Nov 2012 #100

+10000 frostfern Dec 2012 #127

"America's turning in to a service economy. Look to jobs opening up in the health care industry"... Hekate Nov 2012 #72

Right with you pipewrench Nov 2012 #75

kr HiPointDem Nov 2012 #89

Problem's of Reagan's trickle-down rks306 Nov 2012 #95

If a company can't survive after paying its workers enough to survive on Warpy Nov 2012 #98

NOW THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF... 6502 Nov 2012 #101

Fresh Direct in NYC... SummerSnow Nov 2012 #106

What's considered a living wage (on average)? octothorpe Dec 2012 #117

Chanting workers outside 1188 Avenue of the Americas Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #122

Exactly... butterfly77 Dec 2012 #136