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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
116. Manning did nothing to bring Bush closer to justice. Nothing.
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
Nov 2012

And releasing large amounts of classified information, not knowing what was in them, is not whistle blowing. In no way. It is irresponsible.

Kevin Gosztola is doing a great job. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #1
He's going to be a great investigative reporter. I followed him on OWS because he actually sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #122
I am looking forward to his write up about Brad's testimony today and tomorrow. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #123
Hopefully hte real trial will start soon, the asshole gets convicted RomneyLies Nov 2012 #2
Bradley Manning is an extraordinary courageous hero that took his oath to humanity seriously Agony Nov 2012 #3
Yes, well, that's not the oath he took. randome Nov 2012 #4
Not the one I took. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #6
Manning did more for this nation than the majority of people who wear the uniform. white_wolf Nov 2012 #9
I don't think the oath you took was the one that said to Cleita Nov 2012 #15
I had a top secret clearance RomneyLies Nov 2012 #19
He exposed powerful war criminals. Fuddnik Nov 2012 #43
The key word there being "powerful." white_wolf Nov 2012 #46
And I would add to that to 'protect' the powerful too. We've seen what's happen in other RKP5637 Nov 2012 #51
Name the powerful war criminal he exposed? nt. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #114
What's that sound? msanthrope Nov 2012 #129
When someone says "I know" then I stop listening. How audacious to think that you know. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #58
I had one, too - enlightenment Nov 2012 #79
The only people who look ridiculous RomneyLies Nov 2012 #81
Count me as one of the 'ridiculous'. You make no effort to explain your condemnation of the sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #125
The military sure is good at squashing dissent, isn't it? EOTE Nov 2012 #94
project much? mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #95
Members of the US military are obliged to follow a moral JDPriestly Nov 2012 #38
I believe he deserves mitigation. randome Nov 2012 #50
There is no "moral code" that supersedes actual morals. The germans following orders killing Jews rhett o rick Nov 2012 #59
So you think that what ever oath he took trumps morality? That wouldnt be very Democratic thinking. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #63
Not at all. randome Nov 2012 #70
Our authoritarian culture denigrates whistleblowers and rewards those that rhett o rick Nov 2012 #74
Our culture also has clear avenues to follow for whistleblowers. randome Nov 2012 #75
These "protection acts" are designed by authoritarians. Corporations also have "protection acts". rhett o rick Nov 2012 #80
Whistleblower acts exist in nearly every state. randome Nov 2012 #86
Not nearly as much as it should. EOTE Nov 2012 #97
Leaking information has nothing to do with Whistleblower statutes. randome Nov 2012 #100
You didn't respond to my post. EOTE Nov 2012 #105
Many of the prosecutions were for leakers, not whistleblowers. randome Nov 2012 #107
And many of them were NOT for leakers, but whistleblowers. Once again, you're completely ignoring EOTE Nov 2012 #108
Obama issued the The Project on Government Oversight directive. randome Nov 2012 #111
Once again, more prosecutions under the Obama administration than all others combined! EOTE Nov 2012 #113
Amen on that Hayabusa Nov 2012 #87
Bradley Manning is a criminal who belongs in a military prison for the rest of his life. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #5
Regardless of guilt or innocence. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #7
I have yet to see anything that qualifies as torture... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #16
Those who have a clue nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #18
+1 doc03 Nov 2012 #33
Either you side with Manning or you side with war crimes. It is that simple. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #65
Either you side against Manning or you support treason, it's as simple as that RomneyLies Nov 2012 #69
I guess you are opposed to the standards of Nuremberg then. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #71
GODWIN! RomneyLies Nov 2012 #72
Actually what he exposed were possible war crimes nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #89
Every defense attorney in anything like this case claims mistreatment. randome Nov 2012 #92
Just taking a moment to say something to people replying to this RomneyLies Nov 2012 #93
Good nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #96
Yeah, you don't seem to be the type who's capable of handling dissent. EOTE Nov 2012 #109
Like hell it doesn't. Manning exposed war crimes. EOTE Nov 2012 #102
The right-wing authoritarian culture of the USofA has left the Nuremberg standards rhett o rick Nov 2012 #83
And I believe that there are Hayabusa Nov 2012 #78
Hooie. DUers were complaining of war crimes in Iraq years before Manning had even enlisted struggle4progress Nov 2012 #112
Manning will remain a hero of the highest calibre regardless if he is freed, imprisoned or executed. Agony Nov 2012 #121
Why do you spew such hate against Bradley Manning? Can you give a rationale to KoKo Nov 2012 #8
I served in the uniform. He violated his oath and screwed his fellow soldiers RomneyLies Nov 2012 #11
He revealed evidence of torture and other human rights abuses. white_wolf Nov 2012 #12
So your just what the Military is looking for , too bad you don't care about the constitution. bahrbearian Nov 2012 #14
If you cannot handle the requirements to be in the military, STAY THE FUCK OUT RomneyLies Nov 2012 #21
You apparently are the one who cannot handle the requirements to being in the military. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #66
I am surprised at such hatred expressed in a liberal blog. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #88
I am not. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #98
To me haters dont meet the "political liberal people" test of the TOS. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #115
Crimes against peace nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #91
You're a good little soldier aren't you? EOTE Nov 2012 #103
+ a million. nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #132
I see you have no proof to offer that he screwed his fellow soldiers Cleita Nov 2012 #17
HE passed along classified documents RomneyLies Nov 2012 #20
IF you found classified documents that were... Duppers Nov 2012 #35
+100. white_wolf Nov 2012 #44
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #53
Wouldn't have been hard to find a Nazi that agrees with that mentality. nt Bonobo Nov 2012 #41
Bradley Manning 'attacked female soldier ... struggle4progress Nov 2012 #25
I don't really think that's material to the case for his being a traitorous bastard RomneyLies Nov 2012 #27
Yep. Marinedem Nov 2012 #31
He was pinned to the ground by his female superior? Cleita Nov 2012 #28
She pinned him after he "punched her in the phace" (sic). He uses an anti-gay slur to describe the msanthrope Nov 2012 #76
At which time, Bradley Manning should have been sent home JDPriestly Nov 2012 #39
Apparently, he was being looked at for discharge because of gender identity disorder-- msanthrope Nov 2012 #77
Alas not even DOD is making the claim nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #22
"could have" MNBrewer Nov 2012 #34
Standard for conviction under the UCMJ has no requirement for any negative effects. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #37
Viva Manning! I hope for 1000 to follow his example! morningfog Nov 2012 #42
Agreed. white_wolf Nov 2012 #45
Did he burst your bubble? Did he expose the horrors of reality that you are trying to avoid? rhett o rick Nov 2012 #62
He blew the whistle on Bush's war crimes. How can anyone have a problem with that? Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #52
He violated his security clearance and revealed classified.information to the world RomneyLies Nov 2012 #54
George Bush is a war criminal who brought torture into our playbook, among other things, Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #55
Irrelevent RomneyLies Nov 2012 #56
You claim you serve nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #60
To be fair.... zappaman Nov 2012 #117
When the US invaded Iraq, it became guilty of crimes against peace. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #67
Nuremberg Zorra Nov 2012 #64
Our authoritarian culture denigrates whistleblowers and rewards those that rhett o rick Nov 2012 #90
Manning did nothing to bring Bush closer to justice. Nothing. NCTraveler Nov 2012 #116
K&R n/t AAO Nov 2012 #10
We need transparency. Unknown Beatle Nov 2012 #13
Bradley Manning was kept in restrictive custody to prevent suicide, officer testifies struggle4progress Nov 2012 #23
That pretty much tells me his defense team is desperate. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #26
It was actually a deviation from standard practice to keep anyone at Quantico so long: struggle4progress Nov 2012 #32
For once, we agree, struggle4progress. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #40
Better headline "Oltman refused to listen to the assessment of experts" Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #30
I wonder how you would have reacted to the argument "Oltman just listened to experts", if struggle4progress Nov 2012 #47
The tin foil would come out... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #68
They would have cited that Manning was making nooses in Kuwait, and gathering metal for self-harm, msanthrope Nov 2012 #84
I think you are denying certain facts: first, a suicide resulted from the Hoctor's msanthrope Nov 2012 #73
Bradley Manning says he considered suicide while in military custody struggle4progress Nov 2012 #126
K&R forestpath Nov 2012 #24
K&R DJ13 Nov 2012 #29
This is just like America to put a hero on trial while giving the banksters millions. white_wolf Nov 2012 #36
In this *idiocratic* culture where money is god, superstitions and lies are truth, Zorra Nov 2012 #110
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #48
I am a bit confused, what exactly does a psychiatrist have to do with the guilt or innocence cstanleytech Nov 2012 #49
The defense brought up the pre-trial mistreatment nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #61
You mean when they kept him naked because they feared he would commit suicide? cstanleytech Nov 2012 #118
They didn't fear he was going to commit suicide. They were purposefully Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #119
You do know that Manning himself admitted he considered suicide right? nt cstanleytech Nov 2012 #124
Ayup. In Kaiwait many months prior. And even then he testified to a caveat. Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #127
Still I am not sure exactly how its all relevant to his guilt or innocence in regards to leaking cstanleytech Nov 2012 #128
This is pre-trial motioning---it's more about due process than trying him for crimes. msanthrope Nov 2012 #130
But isnt that stuff supposed to be introduced after the verdict but before the sentencing? nt cstanleytech Nov 2012 #131
No--what you have here is a lawyer using a vehicle that allows the introduction msanthrope Dec 2012 #133
OH, thank you for taking the time to explain it as it makes more sense now. nt cstanleytech Dec 2012 #134
K and R. Thanks for posting. n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2012 #57
Manning was creating nooses, and gathering metal for self harm..... msanthrope Nov 2012 #82
k/r Solly Mack Nov 2012 #85
Obama, being a fan of transparency in government, should pardon him if convicted. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #99
I think he should be shown some leniency since his superiors were negligent. randome Nov 2012 #101
Yes he can. I think the term is to commute the sentence. white_wolf Nov 2012 #104
Had it on the tip of my tongue. Thanks. randome Nov 2012 #106
Kevin and others are tweeting Manning's testimoney. See my DU post here: Luminous Animal Nov 2012 #120
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