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LynneSin

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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:14 PM Nov 2012

Why do people just assume Scott Brown would win if Kerry takes a cabinet position. [View all]

You think the democratic party of Massachusetts is going to make the same dumbass mistake like they did back in 2009?

FACT: Martha Coakly, the demo picked to run against Scott Brown in the special election to replace the seat once held by the late great Ted Kennedy, was the absolutely WORST candidate I think I have ever seen run for office. I think I could have scrape gum off the bottom of my shoe and it probably could have done just the same and perhaps a bit better than Coakley. I'm sure Coakley had wonderful qualifications to making her a US Senator but she ran a crappy campaign. She rested on her laurels that Massachusetts is a blue state and it was Ted Kennedy's old seat and assume that the voters would show up and vote for her. Her poorly run campaign was just one of the reasons she failed miserably.

FACT: Back in 2009 the Tea Party was this novel idea that was quickly gaining momentum in 2009 and probably peaked in 2010. At first everyone thought the Tea Party was just about lower government spending and no more taxes. I think the Tea Party reached their peak back in 2010 but you could see the passion start to lose steam when several Tea Party endorsed senate candidates lost in 2010 (Angle, O'Donnell and Buck). In 2012 we saw the Tea Party take even more hits as about 10-12 Tea Party representatives who won in 2010 lost in 2012 and the Republicans actually lost seats in the senate. And the Tea Party failed to get any of their preferred nominees the presidential nomination for the GOP and instead were forced to support Romney instead.

FACT: No one really knew much about Scott Brown. He had some limited political experience on the local level and managed to run a campaign where he came across as a moderate. Four years later we all know about Scott Brown who managed to support GOP Partyline over 90% of the time and ran an absolutely wretched campaign against Elizabeth Warren. Because Brown did align himself so strongly with the GOP he had little to campaign on against Elizabeth Warren and so he centered his campaign on her comments that she had Native American Heritage.

I know there is nothing in the state of Massachusetts that guarantees a Democratic win but if a decent candidate is nominated for the Dems and that candidate actually does the working campaigning - i think we could win the seat.

EDIT NOTE: I've altered this to cabinet position because he has also had his name considered for SEcretary of Defense too.

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In my MA twisted way of thinking, Scotty lost coz he's a loser. graywarrior Nov 2012 #1
Brown got 1.2 million votes against the most appealing candidate that we could have thrown bluestate10 Nov 2012 #28
You said cocky. graywarrior Nov 2012 #83
Kerry is our most liberal senator and we need him. Besides Bernie. SugarShack Nov 2012 #85
He and Elizabeth need to stay in MA graywarrior Nov 2012 #98
it's a boneheaded idea bigtree Nov 2012 #2
I pretty much agree with you regarding Kerry tech3149 Nov 2012 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Nov 2012 #91
Doesn't Scott Brown have some sort of faux moderate reputation? LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #3
I think the reason that it was close was because Warren was a bit 'controversial' LynneSin Nov 2012 #6
Sorry. I live in Massachusetts. You don't know what you are talking about. Scott Brown has bluestate10 Nov 2012 #33
FUCK the very idea of Kerry becoming Secretary of State. Fuck that shit. NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #4
Oh I agree however LynneSin Nov 2012 #7
I actually think it's a MSM and RW driven distraction. (nt) NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #14
Nobody's perfect. godai Nov 2012 #27
True. Don't understand all the anger at Kerry. He hasn't done anything to Rice politicasista Nov 2012 #90
There is no anger at Kerry, the opposite is true julian09 Nov 2012 #95
Ok politicasista Nov 2012 #97
Problem is that I am not assuming such nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #5
I just think Brown has 'loser' stamped across his forehead LynneSin Nov 2012 #8
You are talking of the party that nominated the I am not a witch nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #11
My thoughts exactly. K&Rn/t FSogol Nov 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #10
Because that man is pure, 100%, WIN. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #12
Good question. And who is to say Brown won't run against Kerry in '14, or will Kerry even run in '14 Blaukraut Nov 2012 #13
I dont think that at this point, Obama has any choice than going for Rice. Mass Nov 2012 #15
To be fair, Kerry has been considered for Sec of Defense too LynneSin Nov 2012 #18
I agree. Obama must select Rice and democrats must stand behind her. If not, the President bluestate10 Nov 2012 #34
I think I have a Red State bias. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #16
Scott Brown went after a comment Warren made about her Native American heritage LynneSin Nov 2012 #22
Ah, I didn't miss it after all. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #23
I think because of Warren's backgroun with the Consumer Advocacy group LynneSin Nov 2012 #26
In what world would Tea Party and GOP types vote for a Democrat of any kind? LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #31
About 40% of the voters in Massachusetts are Unaffiliated, or Independent. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #57
Thanks. I was pulling my numbers from old memory. Most of the un-enrolled vote democrat. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #69
Warren turned out to be a brutally strong candidate. Warren beat Brown at every turn and she bluestate10 Nov 2012 #37
Kerry's term is up in '14, not '16. Still doesn't rule Patrick out, though. n/t Blaukraut Nov 2012 #38
Did you read my post? I wrote "if Kerry does not run for re-election". bluestate10 Nov 2012 #45
Yea, my bad. I misread it. Basically we're on the same page. Blaukraut Nov 2012 #54
That is closer to the narrative I am familiar with. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #43
We will keep covering your back. Work hard and organize to make your state less red. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #46
Thanks for the words of encouragement. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #47
Deb Fisher ran against a person that spent the last ten years out of state. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #66
What you say is true. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #72
It's not necessarily that he would win, it's that a special election is the ONLY way he COULD win. n RomneyLies Nov 2012 #17
Because he lost by only about 230k votes and Warren was a very popular candidate Lucinda Nov 2012 #19
Personally, I'd like to see Kerry stay where he is. MineralMan Nov 2012 #20
Rice is the best choice. But Wesley Clark would be an exceptional choice for SOS or SOD. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #49
Has President Obama actually said that he was planning MineralMan Nov 2012 #50
No. BUt he gave her a big public pat on the back today. Rice is the best choice, IMO. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #67
Well, there you go, then. This is all manufactured outrage MineralMan Nov 2012 #68
While he may not win--we can't take that chance... WI_DEM Nov 2012 #21
I don't think he's guaranteed to win, but he would have several things going for him onenote Nov 2012 #24
My guess if the if Obama put my state into a Special election, the President would bluestate10 Nov 2012 #52
I live in Massachusetts. We have had three tough elections within the last 2 years. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #25
I don't think of Warren came across as 'appealing' to many voters. LynneSin Nov 2012 #30
I live in the state. Warren was a highly appealing candidate to Democrats and Independents. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #53
Scott Brown lost by the same amount as Linda McMahon here in Connecticut. Jennicut Nov 2012 #39
My issue with Brown is he has a base of 1 million votes in this state. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Nov 2012 #86
I'd really like to see Kerry in the Cabinet allrevvedup Nov 2012 #29
IMO we need for Kerry to stay in the Senate. nt ladjf Nov 2012 #32
Eight years ago, we ALL wanted Kerry to be president. sadbear Nov 2012 #36
You are wrong. There is no one at this time in the Massachusetts US House delegation that bluestate10 Nov 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #62
What about Ed Markey? sadbear Nov 2012 #63
Markey would have to step it up, but he can beat Brown, mostly because Markey already has bluestate10 Nov 2012 #70
+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #87
Just Chill Blue Nile Nov 2012 #40
Welcome to DU. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #59
Because he has state-wide name recognition...I can't think of any Dem who would run joeybee12 Nov 2012 #41
The sitting Governor, Deval Patrick can beat Brown. That is the only democrat that can. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #60
Has he announced or signaled any intention to? nt joeybee12 Nov 2012 #81
Nobody has announced anything. There's no vacancy unless Kerry gets a cabinet post. Chiyo-chichi Nov 2012 #88
True, but "pundits" always like to stir the pot with gossip... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #93
I hope you are right. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #42
Because if it happened once...? n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #48
Because Democrats seem to suffer from an inferority complex. Not only is it incredibly frustrating Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #51
May be you should defer to Massachusetts democrats who are actually on the ground here. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #61
I'm reading the responses to the MA Dems on here. But I stand by my general statement about Dems. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #75
Because he will crush any special election Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #56
Keep Kerry in the Senate. Putting the Seat Up for Grabs is an Unnecessary Risk AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #65
Deval Patrick should be able to beat Brown. But whether he would run is an issue that only bluestate10 Nov 2012 #71
I believe that Patrick can crush Brown. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2012 #76
It Will be a Very Hard Fight to Hold the Senate in 2014. Why Take the Chance? AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #99
Because 1) special elections are low-turnout elections jeff47 Nov 2012 #73
Your point #2 is not insignificant. Chiyo-chichi Nov 2012 #89
Since when is a long term Senator who has much power, a bad job to have? graham4anything Nov 2012 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #77
Good post. Rider3 Nov 2012 #78
and she wants a second attempt. What is it is her vs. Brown again? OMG she would lose by a mile graham4anything Nov 2012 #79
Who Coakley? HELL NO LynneSin Nov 2012 #82
Here is what the DSCC communication director has to say on this issue as well as a connected MA Dem Mass Nov 2012 #80
As one GOP operative emails, “I’d certainly like to see that vacancy, and I’d like to see Scott run. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #92
I have no clue and I think the idea it would go to Kerry is idiotic, Mass Nov 2012 #96
Yeah, I wonder it if is a good assumption treestar Nov 2012 #84
I don't know. I'd feel bad for Kerry if he really wanted TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #94
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