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97. I don't like this arguement.

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:20 PM

Nov 2012

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It's the same as saying if you go work as a lumberjack, knowing that it's a highly dangerous job, you wouldn't have much sympathy for them either. Every job has risks and it should be the employer's responsibility to mitigate that risk or pay for the consequences. The government, as the employer, has taken on that responsibility as they should have. It is up to management (the President and Congress) to decide how much risk to put the employees at.

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The Military ruined this country [View all] salinen Nov 2012 OP

You are 100% correct Generic Other Nov 2012 #1

Actually the poster is mostly incorrect ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #25

That's like saying, "Without NASA, Velcro would never have been invented". Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #40

Most of the modern tech we have today came from military related research is indisputable ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #49

What I'm hearing you say is the military commendeered ingenuity. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #52

They also fund a tremendous amount of basic research ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #61

You might wanna find out where this "Internet" thing came from. jeff47 Nov 2012 #92

Am aware of where the infancy of the Internet started. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #102

Nice to know $200 billion is minimal. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #105

Of their entire budget. Yeah. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #109

So still haven't absorbed all those examples of military tech we use every day? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #111

Would people stop using Velcro as an example OnlinePoker Nov 2012 #60

Good call...note that I did not bring it to the discussion ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #62

How about...gross overspending on the military has wrecked the economy.n/t godai Nov 2012 #103

And why is it that if they are so good at innovation and invention they never managed Generic Other Nov 2012 #117

Innovation is never self sustaining ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #120

Not really. Coyotl Nov 2012 #57

I am a frugal shopper, so some of that stuff is going back Generic Other Nov 2012 #118

This was done to us on purpose. The PTB decided that the US working class was too uppity. Romulox Nov 2012 #2

Free trade salinen Nov 2012 #4

All of a piece. Detroit was sacrificed to the East, for example, for military basing rights... Romulox Nov 2012 #5

No, that's first former-republican Nov 2012 #6

How do you stuff that free trade genie back in the bottle? LeftInTX Nov 2012 #12

How about Free Trade "virus"? Taverner Nov 2012 #18

I dunno... catch the spit. Nov 2012 #29

I think it is easy. rwsanders Nov 2012 #42

This is the Reason liberalmike27 Nov 2012 #56

It's not a genie, it's just that have been trying to blow smoke up our ass nolabels Nov 2012 #107

How many of those in Congress and in the White House are, directly or indirectly, stockholders in AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #3

"Thank you for your service." earthside Nov 2012 #7

Thanks for being cannon fodder JEB Nov 2012 #14

I hate hearing that phrase... Bigmack Nov 2012 #22

Then surely you must have turned down all of your benefits right? great white snark Nov 2012 #54

I read Bigmack's post twice ... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2012 #67

Fuck you very much.... Bigmack Nov 2012 #89

So, other than that, tell us what you really think! LOL!!.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #95

I love Smedley Butler RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #64

How come no one ever thanked a draft dodger for their sevice for their country? bahrbearian Nov 2012 #32

Actually, I know one Viet Nam vet who *has* thanked draft dodgers for the very reason you state. ieoeja Nov 2012 #80

The idea is to create a middle class primarily composed of the military.. rwsanders Nov 2012 #46

How does that work... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #98

Well let's see... rwsanders Dec 2012 #121

"All other theft is minor by comparison." FailureToCommunicate Nov 2012 #8

Well said. unhappycamper Nov 2012 #9

The Military-Industrial Complex to be more exact. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #10

It's not the military. It's the corporations run by the Daddy Warbucks that have ruined the country. Texin Nov 2012 #11

Yep. Take a look at who is in PNAC. nt patrice Nov 2012 #31

Contrarian view: Keynes once famously said it was preferable to have citizens dig holes coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #13

The problem with this is we have allotted to much to Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #20

On that, I think most of us can agree. I wanted to be sure that people understand coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #23

Agreed. nt Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #36

IT is NOT and never has been that binary choice. bvar22 Nov 2012 #34

Pretty sure you and I agree. See my reply #23 upthread - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #37

Yep. Erect bogeyman. Wave flag. Demand more money. Works every time. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #15

I blame the Germans. They started it all by bombing Pearl Harbor. slackmaster Nov 2012 #16

"Nothing is over until WE say it is!" nt stevenleser Nov 2012 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Nov 2012 #81

Agree. 100. Percent. Taverner Nov 2012 #17

If you're a draftee, I am 100% behind your getting all the benefits and medical care you need. byeya Nov 2012 #19

I don't like this arguement. OnlinePoker Nov 2012 #97

Includes the ultimate betrayal Botique Wars to justify MIC. Like the one Repubs want in Libya. patrice Nov 2012 #21

Exactly as we were warned it would happen... 99Forever Nov 2012 #24

The military didn't do anything. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #26

Politicians and civilian officials ("thinking cowards") DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #58

The military costs precisely as much or as little as our elected representatives allow. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #27

Bingo. We elected the people who decide how much gets spent on the military. slackmaster Nov 2012 #30

And how do these politicians come to this conclusion? The military tells them. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #41

Then we need politicians with more backbone slackmaster Nov 2012 #50

Or maybe we need more honest military leaders. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #53

The Commander in Chief of the military also happens to be a person that we elected slackmaster Nov 2012 #65

He needs to be held to account also. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #70

I agree. It's time to disband the US Military BanTheGOP Nov 2012 #28

I don't think that will work, but we should consider offering a parallel Dept of Peace with all of patrice Nov 2012 #33

Great plan... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #100

sounds like a good plan biohazard9550 Nov 2012 #73

Hmmm Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #99

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #115

agreed G_j Nov 2012 #35

Every gun that is made,... bvar22 Nov 2012 #38

Cutting the military's money supply is the last taboo in politics. But the adults must do it. ancianita Nov 2012 #39

Our Military now has great construction skills. KoKo Nov 2012 #45

Who is the "we"? The private sector miltary contractors or the actual troops? I know that ancianita Nov 2012 #116

Our Tax Dollars payed for the Contractors...Let them train our Military KoKo Nov 2012 #119

Time to make a propaganda film showing the US being "attacked". Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #43

If you own or work in an establishment that has food on the premises-- eridani Nov 2012 #63

could not agree more jeanlibny594283 Nov 2012 #68

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #93

K&R ReRe Nov 2012 #44

Good post, salinen. Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #47

Thanks salinen Nov 2012 #83

The retired militarys are no fun to live with either. Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #84

Before WW II we made a lot more stuff RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #48

Hardly zipplewrath Nov 2012 #51

I would put law school behind med school for sure. white_wolf Nov 2012 #66

Replacement for the MBA zipplewrath Nov 2012 #71

Interesting. I never thought of the replacement MBA angle. white_wolf Nov 2012 #72

Saw a stat once zipplewrath Nov 2012 #75

True. I also believe that's why it's so hard to get real news out. Cleita Nov 2012 #55

I'm sorry but I could fill a small gym Separation Nov 2012 #59

Well salinen Nov 2012 #86

Absolutely not Separation Nov 2012 #90

WW2 salinen Nov 2012 #96

the military is treated as sacred in this country quinnox Nov 2012 #69

Good one. Most people who believe in peace and justice should agree. byeya Nov 2012 #77

K&R DeSwiss Nov 2012 #74

agreed, 100 percent.... mike_c Nov 2012 #76

No, its the Military-Industrial Complex; elleng Nov 2012 #78

Sadly Ellen... 99Forever Nov 2012 #82

Yes but I want to make the point that there is nothing inherently wrong with the military elleng Nov 2012 #85

While there MAY be... 99Forever Nov 2012 #87

It's the third rail of politics. alarimer Nov 2012 #88

So many errors.... jeff47 Nov 2012 #91

The entire military budget salinen Nov 2012 #106

I provided the link. The rental on those bases is in there. jeff47 Nov 2012 #108

There really is no reason salinen Nov 2012 #110

Except we don't agree jeff47 Nov 2012 #112

KBR salinen Nov 2012 #113

:eyeroll: jeff47 Nov 2012 #114

it would be virtually impossible for another country to invade and hold the u.s. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #94

Important difference... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #101

an agressive invasion of the u.s. would be VERY difficult. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #104