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slackmaster

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9. That guy is seriously mentally ill. This is a murder case.

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:07 PM

Nov 2012

Every self-defense class I've ever taken taught that using deadly force with the intent to kill can get you charged with murder. You use deadly force only when necessary to stop an attack, and you stop when the attack has been neutralized.

That applies equally to firearms, edged weapons, and empty-hand disciplines.

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Minnesota man kills teens in home, delays telling cops because of holiday [View all] jsr Nov 2012 OP

This is the type of story that makes me want to review my stance on the Death Penalty Drale Nov 2012 #1

And as a Minnesotan, I say let him rot in Stillwater geardaddy Nov 2012 #19

Shooting an intruder is one thing, making sure to finish them of is insane. I for brewens Nov 2012 #2

"unless they were armed" Mangoman Nov 2012 #5

He finished off the girl after the first shot rbixby Nov 2012 #26

Finishing them off, regardless of how festive he was, is legally premeditation. Bucky Nov 2012 #6

I would think it would be legal... Mangoman Nov 2012 #11

Not only insane but it demonstrates malice aforethought, one of the requirements for murder. slackmaster Nov 2012 #12

He over-reacted, but this was armed robbery they were committing. closeupready Nov 2012 #3

Nowhere in the article does it state the kids had weapons are were "Armed and Dangerous" MagickMuffin Nov 2012 #7

Other sources have stated they had lead pipes. closeupready Nov 2012 #10

Where do you even *get* a lead pipe in this day and age, let alone more than one? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #13

The Examiner's story mentions this fact: closeupready Nov 2012 #16

Using a "lead pipe" to bludgeon someone is a very old cliche Fumesucker Nov 2012 #21

Again go to the OP link MagickMuffin Nov 2012 #17

Again, the Examiner. closeupready Nov 2012 #20

Again the Police REPORT MagickMuffin Nov 2012 #23

One piece of evidence amongst many. closeupready Nov 2012 #32

I am sure the term 'lead pipe' was used just to describe Jenoch Nov 2012 #37

Where does it say they were armed? denverbill Nov 2012 #8

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #25

So do you shoot kids who cut across your lawn? SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #28

You would be indicted for killing a trespasser. rug Nov 2012 #30

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #35

you don't shoot intruders and then wait a day to call the authorities ibegurpard Nov 2012 #34

You're right, but does delay in reporting a killing make the killing more severe? JVS Nov 2012 #40

he didn't report it, the neighbors tipped the popo off. n/t. uncle ray Nov 2012 #41

I'm gonna say vodka, abuse of prescription painkillers, and a steady diet of Hannity on the radio. Bucky Nov 2012 #4

That guy is seriously mentally ill. This is a murder case. slackmaster Nov 2012 #9

I disagree. Mangoman Nov 2012 #14

I have consistently been taught to aim for center of mass and continue firing until the attack stops slackmaster Nov 2012 #15

Welcome to DU , and good luck in court with that Nt pkdu Nov 2012 #18

The finish them off part was murder! Logical Nov 2012 #24

So if some unarmed teenagers come into your house... rbixby Nov 2012 #27

If a gunman kicks in your door, maybe. If two teenagers wander down into your basement... renie408 Nov 2012 #29

Well, the dead aren't going to get any deader. But turkey day TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #22

I guess he wanted to watch the Lions piss away another game with the rest of America... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #43

Just my impression upaloopa Nov 2012 #31

Seems to me that a certain grabber Jenoch Nov 2012 #38

How do we even know that anything this guy tells is the truth? LisaL Nov 2012 #33

This story is so sad, all the way around. Brickbat Nov 2012 #36

The unofficial MN state motto of "I don't want to be any trouble" JVS Nov 2012 #39

This went beyond defending his home with the "finishing shots"--- Shilo Nov 2012 #42

Little Falls teen shooting deaths called 'cold-blooded’ Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #44

Ugh. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #45

Seems like a clear case of murder to me. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2012 #46

I am resurrecting this post. Any one following the case? glinda Apr 2014 #47