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Response to Octafish (Reply #461)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:14 PM

462. Blah, blah, blah. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

What happened to the Presidential Limousine that carried President Kennedy on the day he was assassinated?

The limousine that carried the President was searched for evidence after the assassination. It was then cleaned and continued to be used for certain functions. The windshield of the limousine was removed as evidence by the FBI and the Secret Service since it had been hit by the third bullet. The windshield was designated Commission Exhibit (CE) 350 of the Warren Commission and as a Warren Commission Exhibit will remain in the custody of the National Archives and Records Administration. The limousine is currently at the Henry Ford museum in Dearborn Michigan. - from the National Archive FAQ page, "JFK Assassination Record"

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/faqs.html

Robert Frazier (a firearms identification expert working for the FBI who examined much of the ballistics and firearms evidence connected with the assassination of President Kennedy and the murder of Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit.) examined the limo after the shooting and testified before the Warren Commission. He described his search of the limousine for bullet fragments late on the night of the shooting. Two bullet fragments had already been retrieved from the front seat by the Secret Service. Per Frazier:

"There were blood and particles of flesh scattered all over the hood, the windshield, in the front seat and all over the rear floor rugs, the jump seats, and over the rear seat, and down both sides of the side rails or tops of the doors of the car. I examined the car to determine whether or not there were any bullet fragments present in it, embedded in the upholstery of the back of the front seat, or whether there were any impact areas which indicated that bullets or bullet fragments struck the inside of the car.
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When asked if he felt his search was indeed a thorough examination of all aspects of the interior of the automobile, Frazier said:

"Yes, sir; for our purpose. However, we did not tear out all of the rugs on the floor, for instance. We examined the rugs carefully for holes, for bullet furrows, for fragments. We examined the nap of the rug, in the actual nap of the rug, for fragments and bullet holes. We pulled the rug back as far as we could turn it back and even tore the glue or adhesive material loose around the cracks at the edges of the rug so we could observe the cracks to see whether they had been enlarged, and we examined all of the upholstery covering, on the back of the front seat, on the doors, and in the rear seat compartment, the jump seats, the actual rear seat, the back of the rear seat, and we examined the front seat in a similar manner, and we found no bullet holes or other bullet impact areas, other than the one on the inside of the windshield and the dent inside the windshield chrome."


Frazier's extensive testimony as given before the WC may be found here:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh5/html/WC_Vol5_0038b.htm

In David Fisher's book Hard Evidence, Frazier expanded on the WC testimony, providing this rather gross account:

"The President's limousine arrived back in Washington about six o'clock. Around one o'clock the next morning, Cort (Cortland Cunningham) and I started sifting through the blood looking for lead fragments. It was tough; it was very tough...We'd just reach down into the clots of blood and scoop it up in our hands and let it dribble through. Whenever we felt something gritty, we'd clean it up and if it was lead, we'd save it in a pillbox. We didn't really recover a lot of lead."


How about that...and all easily discovered in the WCR.


You wrote: Cmdr. James Humes, JFK's lead autopsy doctor. Humes signed an affidavit that he had burned "certain preliminary draft notes" from the autopsy, and later admitted that this included the first draft of the autopsy report.

But as Humes explained to Jeremy Gunn of the Assassination Records Review Board:

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In Greenfield Village, there is an old Illinois courthouse where Lincoln used to preside when he was circuit-riding judge. And in that courthouse was a chair that was alleged to be the chair in which Lincoln sat when he was assassinated in Ford's Theater. And the docent, in describing this chair, proudly spoke that here on the back of the chair is the stain of the President's blood. The bullet went through his head. I thought this was the most macabre thing I ever saw in my life. It just made a terrible impression on me.

And when I noticed that these bloodstains were on this document that I had prepared, I said nobody's going to ever get these documents. I'm not going to keep them, and nobody else is ever going to get them.

So I copied them -- and you probably have a copy in my longhand of what I wrote. It's made from the original. And I then burned the original notes in the fireplace of my family room to prevent them from ever falling into the hands of what I consider inappropriate people. And there's been a lot of flak about this, that they're all part of a big conspiracy that I did this because I was involved in I don't know what I was involved [sic]. Ludicrous. That is what I did.


Them's the FACTS, and they don't seem to comport with the fantasies you're peddling.

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