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Fumesucker

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75. msanthrope seems to be of the opinion that there are many unpaid official federal positions
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:57 PM
Nov 2012

I don't know enough about it to have an opinion really but I'm intrigued by the idea of winnowing out those who are truly serious about government service.

This asshole is an Obama appointee. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #1
Actually, this is a great thing..... msanthrope Nov 2012 #6
...and WalMart has the lowest prices... and "that's just the way things are..." dogknob Nov 2012 #7
Are you comparing Ivy League law school grads with Walmart workers? Oh, please--- msanthrope Nov 2012 #8
I did a year internship AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #12
Did you feel coerced? Or did you think you benefited from the choices you made? msanthrope Nov 2012 #17
No coercion at all AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #64
We are required to do two for my grad program. I'm glad to get the experience and we get hired. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #25
I did two internships, too. I was lucky to have a supportive spouse. Had I not, I would msanthrope Nov 2012 #44
They're graduating with over $100K in debt Sanity Claws Nov 2012 #35
Not all of them, and the loans are held in abeyance. You have to fill out the paperwork, but msanthrope Nov 2012 #40
They don't have to pay it in this position jberryhill Nov 2012 #59
I was comparing them to WalMart SHOPPERS. dogknob Nov 2012 #39
That's a comparison that makes less sense. msanthrope Nov 2012 #45
You are either not understanding or avoiding the point. dogknob Nov 2012 #50
Excuse me???? That is some racist, horrible shit right there!!!! You are speaking to a msanthrope Nov 2012 #55
Ah. Racism. The great debate ender. dogknob Nov 2012 #66
Um, you were the one who brought race into it AlexSatan Nov 2012 #84
Come to New York to meet thousands of unemployed... JackRiddler Nov 2012 #105
Speaking as someone who is planning on starting law school in about two years... white_wolf Nov 2012 #67
Where are you planning on going? Yeah, opportunities like this are rare. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #68
There are few schools I'm looking at seriously. white_wolf Nov 2012 #69
Think of what you want to do afterwards before you pick a law school. msanthrope Nov 2012 #70
But You Have To Admit, It's A Financial Barrier wellst0nev0ter Nov 2012 #77
Working for free makes it difficult for cash strapped students to get these lucrative positions liberal N proud Nov 2012 #76
Not being paid = not being, you know, HIRED. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #101
As a third-year law student, I vehemently disagree democrattotheend Nov 2012 #107
Let's be honest here....do you have the chops to make msanthrope Nov 2012 #108
I got some interviews for federal district court democrattotheend Nov 2012 #109
How much does the fellowship pay? Would you seriously turn down the offer msanthrope Nov 2012 #110
How is any human being supposed to be able to predict treestar Nov 2012 #79
This guy is representative of what the GOP wants to do to America. ZM90 Nov 2012 #2
No, he's not. The GOP doesn't want more federal clerkships. They want a slowed judiciary, msanthrope Nov 2012 #9
As an attorney, I don't have a problem with this, and neither will the majority of my profession. msanthrope Nov 2012 #3
Well one thing that's wrong with marybourg Nov 2012 #30
If they're doing the work then they need to be paid for it. Period. Sirveri Nov 2012 #83
Does that apply to all volunteer work AlexSatan Nov 2012 #85
Typically yes, with very few exceptions. Sirveri Nov 2012 #86
OK, so I'll be sure AlexSatan Nov 2012 #102
Yes, paying people to do work when at 8% unemployment is a GOOD thing Sirveri Nov 2012 #103
Yep, just as paying someone to put a bathroom in my basement AlexSatan Nov 2012 #104
Is it possible he's just trying to con Uncle Sam for covering the cost of this Volaris Nov 2012 #4
Every federal judge needs a third or fourth law clerk. But why is he wrong to offer an unpaid msanthrope Nov 2012 #5
Since I was not aware of the numbers involved, Volaris Nov 2012 #74
For shame! Very specifically, one of the government institutions JDPriestly Nov 2012 #10
Only trust funders can do it. why stop with free work; maybe 'apprentices' should HiPointDem Nov 2012 #11
Since you find trust-funders objectionable, then why not have them work for free? msanthrope Nov 2012 #15
People who aren't trust funders have no shot at the job. nt valerief Nov 2012 #20
Especially the lowly Walmart workers who shouldn't even be lumped together with these people... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #22
Walmart "associates" and baby lawyers shouldn't be lumped together because the former have much less msanthrope Nov 2012 #48
That's simply not true. Your hiring isn't dependent on your finances, but on your msanthrope Nov 2012 #23
It may be that one's finances don't factor into one's employability Orrex Nov 2012 #26
I don't disagree that they should be paid, but if Congress isn't going to up the number of clerks msanthrope Nov 2012 #41
Exactly!!!! forestpath Nov 2012 #47
Your student loans go into abeyance if you are on an internship..all you have to do is file the msanthrope Nov 2012 #13
In my life I have met no one who would turn down a starting salary of $45K Orrex Nov 2012 #28
I think you misunderstand me. There are people who can't afford to take the 45k clerkship-- msanthrope Nov 2012 #31
Clarify, please Orrex Nov 2012 #38
Certainly--- msanthrope Nov 2012 #42
But when you place your loans in abeyance, interest accrues. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #91
Technical question from an interested layperson: what work do clerks do coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #92
This probably doesn't violate the FLSA TomClash Nov 2012 #14
But--they aren't 'new lawyers.' Most of them are law students, graduated, who have not yet taken msanthrope Nov 2012 #16
Federal clerkships are two years TomClash Nov 2012 #24
The article clearly states it is a one-year internship. The clerkships are still paid, and they do msanthrope Nov 2012 #29
It is true that lawyers should not get special treatment TomClash Nov 2012 #36
No government internships??? Do you know how many people that would affect in the PHS and NIH msanthrope Nov 2012 #43
If other clerks for federal judges are paid, then ALL BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #18
Clearly this is an idea that can help cut the cost of government and hence taxes Fumesucker Nov 2012 #32
You do realize that I believe that this "judge" is deficient in his study of the law. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #72
msanthrope seems to be of the opinion that there are many unpaid official federal positions Fumesucker Nov 2012 #75
This is the only BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #87
Let's start with Congress! eridani Nov 2012 #89
You should put that up as an OP Fumesucker Nov 2012 #94
I John2 Nov 2012 #34
IMO, he should be firmly and swiftly smacked down. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #73
So you have to come from a family that has enough money to support you in order valerief Nov 2012 #19
Are all governmental internships to be done away with, or do you only wish to protect msanthrope Nov 2012 #27
I think many of us are unaware that there are a lot of unpaid government workers Fumesucker Nov 2012 #33
You were unaware of government internships? Really? nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #49
Hey, I already told you I'm insufficiently cynical Fumesucker Nov 2012 #57
There are a lot of unpaid government titled interns. Chan790 Nov 2012 #82
You do realize I was mostly being sardonic in the post to which you replied? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #95
Sounds like the old system of Pupillage in the British Bar intaglio Nov 2012 #21
It's hard to understand union_maid Nov 2012 #37
A very great many of us can't even see the comment. Occulus Nov 2012 #51
Oh, Occulus...let's have a reality check here..... msanthrope Nov 2012 #58
Lemme explain---I am one of those horrible Democrats who spent Election Day working as an attorney msanthrope Nov 2012 #52
I think this is outrageous and that NOBODY would be defending it if he was a BUSH appointee. forestpath Nov 2012 #46
I would have been fine with a Bush appointee suggesting it. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #53
Employees deserve to be paid fairly for their work. And an intern is an EMPLOYEE... forestpath Nov 2012 #65
Wait -- so he's going to pay two, but not the third? Brickbat Nov 2012 #54
Yep--and you will have hundreds of applicants for each internship, because that moves you msanthrope Nov 2012 #56
So everyone who volunteered for the Obama campaign is "stupid" jberryhill Nov 2012 #60
I guess I was stupid to work as a lawyer for free for the campaign!!!! msanthrope Nov 2012 #62
Betting you had other employment income to live on eridani Nov 2012 #90
I agree. I would find it very un-motivating treestar Nov 2012 #80
Why are you posting a misogynist law prof who likes to complain about the % of women msanthrope Nov 2012 #61
Wow you did a great job explaining wages/experience benefits 1/2 dozen times... kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #71
Fucking 1%ers and their shysters... 99Forever Nov 2012 #63
Interns working in congressional offices work for $0. Jumping John Nov 2012 #78
I really think this is a non-controversy union_maid Nov 2012 #81
It's a non-controversy in the private sector. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #88
But that's just not true union_maid Nov 2012 #96
It is true with respect to a federal judicial clerkship. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #100
Federal internships site union_maid Nov 2012 #98
Federal judicial clerkships are paid positions. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #99
Why doesn't this judge make a moral commitment Ken Burch Nov 2012 #93
Firstly, you don't know that union_maid Nov 2012 #97
Martinez didn't invent internships, but he's introducing the idea to the public sector... Ken Burch Nov 2012 #106
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