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55. This is not a secret

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:01 PM

Nov 2012

Typically Republican politicians of the mid 19th century were very buddy-buddy with the railroads. Republicans favored government subsidy for the railroads and internal improvement projects (what we call infrastructure today) that would necessitate a broader railroad network.

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What Spielberg’s “Lincoln” conveniently leaves out [View all] mfcorey1 Nov 2012 OP

I really think Spielberg is over-rated. randome Nov 2012 #1

titanic wasn't his movie dsc Nov 2012 #2

Whoops. Substitute 'Saving Private Ryan', then. randome Nov 2012 #4

And your expertise in the area of filmmaking is what? Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #5

It's RELATIVELY easy, I should have specified. randome Nov 2012 #50

Agreed alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #85

Wow! trumad Nov 2012 #8

well, he only spent the first 20 minutes re-creating the landing at Omaha Beach WolverineDG Nov 2012 #28

Exactly. He RE-created it. He didn't create the parameters on his own. randome Nov 2012 #52

It is easier to script and film a romcom or a drama obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #65

How do you KNOW he didn't build a time machine and influence the actual events of the landing... Ian David Nov 2012 #78

Wow. I guess if you're hot in Hollywood, you get ALL the cool devices. randome Nov 2012 #80

+1 Sherman A1 Nov 2012 #53

D-Day vets said it was a terrific movie and like being there obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #11

the first 30 or so minutes dsc Nov 2012 #23

Don't forget The Color Purple thelordofhell Nov 2012 #54

"D-Day vets said it was ... like being there". And we know this how? Astroturfing. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #24

Not "astroturfing" at all. A simple Google search will bring up a number of.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #61

Actually, a respected combat vet and paratrooper, and who was familiar with movie making, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #86

He wasn't at Omaha Beach nt WolverineDG Nov 2012 #92

Spielberg wasn't at Omaha Beach. nt AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #93

Because that's what they said in interviews when it came out obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #66

You mention that you wish that you were on Spielberg's payroll. I'm sure that you do. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #77

I had a simple way of knowing what one D-Day Vet said MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #83

Just curious, but which characters in "Saving Private Ryan" did you feel were undeveloped? nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #18

soldier #3' Act 3, Scene 15. ret5hd Nov 2012 #27

Just what I thought. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #60

In fairness it was a common complaint dsc Nov 2012 #63

I'm sure you think that Schindler's List was also just too easy right? lunatica Nov 2012 #38

I thought James Cameron wrote titanic? n/t Lucinda Nov 2012 #6

Yes did, and directed it obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #12

I almost walked out of the theater while watching "Titanic." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #17

I almost walked out too MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #84

Hence, Mayor Bloomberg! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #97

sorry meant to type wasn't dsc Nov 2012 #21

Did you think "Shindler's List" was sappy? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #9

Titanic was not his film, James Cameron made that film. Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #14

E.T. phone home? Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #29

So what? This movie is by Tony Kushner. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #32

Spielberg is a great story teller. Not so great as a story writer. Kablooie Nov 2012 #56

one of the greatest movie men in history. period. spanone Nov 2012 #62

me too. i haven't seen all his films, but the ones i have seen made me not want to see the others. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #64

Schindler's List? Empire of the Sun? obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #67

My daughters are finally old enough that we watched Pulp Fiction together a couple days ago. randome Nov 2012 #71

I don't like taratino either (nothing personal, i just don't). It's been a while, actually, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #103

I totally disagree. He is a GREAT film maker. Everthing from "Jaws" to "Close Encounters" to the RBInMaine Nov 2012 #70

I love Raiders of the Lost Ark. randome Nov 2012 #72

Spielberg directed Titanic? edbermac Nov 2012 #81

I agree.. sendero Nov 2012 #82

Uh, Spielberg is awesome. As a director, he has created some of the most iconic films in history zonkers Nov 2012 #87

So it's wrong to be successful? jehop61 Nov 2012 #3

It is not about being successful but how you become successful. We have used the idea of jwirr Nov 2012 #13

A thousand years?! aletier_v Nov 2012 #22

I was thinking about the use of this method by Rome/England in the expansion of their Empires. jwirr Nov 2012 #58

I scecond the WTF? "a thousand years?" Confusious Nov 2012 #39

Put the use of manifest destiny methodology is not new - it has been the practice of most empires. jwirr Nov 2012 #59

I suppose, if you gut the entire idea Confusious Nov 2012 #88

small minded perspective from a small minded source. grantcart Nov 2012 #7

Scroll left side of page for article. This is the way the link prints. mfcorey1 Nov 2012 #15

ok thanks. If you haven't seen the movie I recommend that you do. grantcart Nov 2012 #34

I will. I don't agree with the article. I just thought it would be interesting discussion. nt mfcorey1 Nov 2012 #90

That's what I thought. grantcart Nov 2012 #91

And Native Americans can testify to your last statement. They died in droves so that the barons jwirr Nov 2012 #10

Hell on Wheels deals with the post CW railway business. ananda Nov 2012 #16

Here's a good article on the choices made by the filmmakers on what to include Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #19

read Stephen Ambrose's "Nothing Like It in the World," dhill926 Nov 2012 #20

To quote Jimmy Breslin: "No one reaches the Presidency in a state of grace." aquart Nov 2012 #25

I think even the greatest presidents have major flaws. Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #26

Mhm. Every human has flaws. When they have as much power as a President, they're only amplified. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #47

And then there's the tiny matter of Lucy Rutherford - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #74

He was the only candidate that ran on limiting slavery to slave states. Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #30

the OP article in Salon shows everything that is wrong with those who are never satisfied graham4anything Nov 2012 #31

And ironic considering that one of the sub-plots of the move aletier_v Nov 2012 #36

Yup. I do think myself that Spielberg wanted that to be the main thing people got out of the movie graham4anything Nov 2012 #44

Speilberg is, himself, a plutocrat. You can't expect him to make a class-based critique. Period. leveymg Nov 2012 #33

Correct. I saw the film, thought it was excellent, but closeupready Nov 2012 #40

I am also a fan of a lot of Spielberg's movies, even if I disagree with some of his politics. leveymg Nov 2012 #45

Until we change our form of governance, the best that America can hope for is Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #35

This isn't a critique of "Lincoln" the movie at all. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #37

Meh. pnwmom Nov 2012 #41

What can't all movies about American heroes instead focus on how awful they are? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #42

Why can't the world be pure black and white, good vs evil, like an old-fashioned comic book? leveymg Nov 2012 #48

Because *reality*? nt Romulox Nov 2012 #99

More contrary know-it-all shit. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #43

Exactly. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #57

I Saw " Lincoln " And Am Now Reading "Team Of Rivals" DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #46

I'm 3/4 through "Team of Rivals", and there is no mention ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #89

The Book Is Seven Hundred Plus Pages DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #95

True! MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #102

Why should it have shown this? kiva Nov 2012 #49

My first thought, too obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #68

Ding Ding Ding -- we have a winner! Myrina Nov 2012 #100

I still haven't been able to see it. I'm hoping to get to go this Thursday. liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #51

This is not a secret bluestateguy Nov 2012 #55

He was also close to men. He liked men. Safetykitten Nov 2012 #69

Which Was Common At The Time. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #75

I saw the movie yesterday. H2O Man Nov 2012 #73

I agree that he was close to them, but burnsei sensei Nov 2012 #76

WAIT! WHOA! BACK THIS UP! So, Lincoln wasn't perfect?!? Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #79

What Spielberg's "Lincoln" SHOULD have left out Ron Green Nov 2012 #94

"a service to the country and to humanity in general." True, but England beat us to it by 32 years WinkyDink Nov 2012 #96

Lincoln spoke publically in support of slavery as late as 1861. Spielberg has whitewashed history. Romulox Nov 2012 #98

This is Salon's big scoop? That Lincoln acted like the attorney that he was, MadHound Nov 2012 #101

it's actually an important fact in considering who his backers were & the reasons for the HiPointDem Nov 2012 #104