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The Straight Story

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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:57 AM Nov 2012

Salvation Army Official: Gays Deserve Death [View all]

(From June)
Salvation Army Official: Gays Deserve Death

Just in time to ruin Gay Pride month, a media relations director for the Salvation Army had no problem reminding us and the queer journalists he was talking to that gays should be put to death. In talking to Australian queer journalists Serena Ryan and Pete Dillon on their Salt and Pepper radio show (audio below which was picked up by Truth Wins Out's John Becker), Major Andrew Craibe, a media relations director for one of the organization's Australian branches, had this exchange with the hosts:

Ryan: According to the Salvation Army, [gay people] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?
Craibe: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.
Ryan: So we should die.
Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.
The doctrine they're referring to is, as Queerty's Dan Aver reports, the Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, which borrows heavily from Romans 1:18-32 and states:


For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. . .
They know God’s decree, that those who practise such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.


Until this weekend, Craibe's media presence had been mostly non-existent, his last remarks that we found were about children with disabilities, social and financial disadvantages, and their visit to a zoo--not something you would expect from a guy who sounds more or less like a hate monger.

Since Craibe's popped this weekend, the Salvation Army has officially distanced itself from Craibe's remarks with a carefully-worded response. In a statement, Salvation Army spokesman Major Bruce Harmer said Craibe's comments were "extremely regrettable" and Salvation Army members did "not believe, and would never endorse, a view that homosexual activity should result in any form of physical punishment." Harmer goes on to apologize, citing a misunderstanding of the "death" passage (he says the passage refers to "spiritual death" and not physical death):

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/06/salvation-army-official-gays-deserve-death/53885/
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What we wrote isn't what we meant! enlightenment Nov 2012 #1
Haven't donated to them in many years bevb Nov 2012 #2
ditto. Not used goods, not in their red buckets. I do give them a cheery "hello!" though. nilram Nov 2012 #19
I've got a stash of these printed up and ready to go into those red buckets: beac Nov 2012 #62
nice! nilram Nov 2012 #66
Thanks, what a great idea! Care Acutely Nov 2012 #67
Tme to start dropping pieces of paper in their kettles again... joeybee12 Nov 2012 #3
+1 nt Zorra Nov 2012 #4
I agree with this. Lex Nov 2012 #9
Good idea Dakota Flint Nov 2012 #21
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #24
I stayed in one of their caravan parks shaayecanaan Nov 2012 #26
They do a lot of good War Horse Nov 2012 #34
Yes, nice idea War Horse Nov 2012 #30
Thyere are plenty of local charities to go to obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #37
Oh, I certainly agree War Horse Nov 2012 #46
I've smelled nicer horseshit TrogL Nov 2012 #5
Craibe gets busted in a gay sex scandal in 3-2-1... Archae Nov 2012 #6
He's a "media relations director" for a local chapter. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #7
Expect and assume away, the organization could easily fire the man and make clear Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #8
Same here. I'll keep writing checks and dropping money in their buckets Gman Nov 2012 #11
You're either ill-informed or, well, a bigot Occulus Nov 2012 #28
Yup. Why not? Why stop donating to a good cause over isolated anecdotal incidents? Gman Nov 2012 #41
Let me understand here LibertyLover Nov 2012 #44
Well for one thing I saw no link Gman Nov 2012 #47
Well, here is their official position The Straight Story Nov 2012 #59
Their Doctrine states gays should be killed obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #38
I suppose if you want to read it that way Gman Nov 2012 #42
Why not give to a better cause? It's not like there aren't other good groups out there doing Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #51
Congratulations, you're a homophobia enabler and apologist. Maven Nov 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #57
Hysteria? None here. Dishonesty and willful blindness? Look in the mirror. Maven Nov 2012 #58
So your going to stop donating then? FreeState Nov 2012 #17
No, they're going to move the goal posts. JoeyT Nov 2012 #27
If the SA discriminates against anyone, including GLBT.... JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #35
From the Salvation Army handbook of Doctrine plantwomyn Nov 2012 #20
Perhaps he could find a job in Metz' Denny restaurants in Fla. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Maven Nov 2012 #55
More proof that religious institutions aren't necessarily charitable lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #10
+1 sarcasmo Nov 2012 #14
Oh, well, now. So the real spokesperson for the SA says jtuck004 Nov 2012 #12
Salvation Army statement, spiritual death Yes, physical death NO. sarcasmo Nov 2012 #13
I'm starting to wonder loyalkydem Nov 2012 #15
Acceptance... Jasana Nov 2012 #25
No one is ever accepted by everyone. nt reACTIONary Nov 2012 #32
They just don't get it. sibelian Nov 2012 #33
One bigoted right wing asshole will cause... santamargarita Nov 2012 #16
Except this is what the Sallies actually believe obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #39
Your right, as sad as it is. santamargarita Nov 2012 #52
No Donations from Me... Jasana Nov 2012 #18
Bingo AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #22
Here try this plantwomyn Nov 2012 #23
This is why I never give to them. They want me dead. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #29
Just in time for christmas and Salvation Army's army of bell ringers. Matariki Nov 2012 #31
Which is why I don't give them a red cent obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #36
this kind of info needs to be spread around Mosby Nov 2012 #40
I will never give them another donation in my life. smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #43
I never give to them. jaded_old_cynic Nov 2012 #45
Wish I could get my $20 back that I stuck in the bucket yesterday. Never again kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #48
Give them a voucher instead of money eridani Nov 2012 #49
To a Christian, BY DEFINITION, the NT supercedes the OT. "Love thy neighbor......" WinkyDink Nov 2012 #53
the quote is from Romans, which is in the New Testament NuttyFluffers Nov 2012 #64
There are so many compassionate non-hateful charities to give money to gollygee Nov 2012 #54
What to put in the kettle, then? KamaAina Nov 2012 #60
Get a handful of arcade tokens. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #61
These: beac Nov 2012 #63
Queer as a three-dollar bill!! KamaAina Nov 2012 #65
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