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In reply to the discussion: Question: how would you feel if they raised the minimum age of Social Security or Medicare? [View all]graham4anything
(11,464 posts)SS is a finite number per person.
Whereas health care is a variable, and most people pay out alot more in health care, then they ever will make and pay SS and receive SS.
If they get in the next twenty years XXXXXX number of dollars by giving up XX number of dollars, seems well worth it.
If you are talking about 40 year olds, well the 40 year olds have 27 years til they will collect.
That is 27 years they are paying such large health care costs that they never will get back.
That is 27 years before anyone will be collecting SS in the first place.
Not to mention, who pays for ones garbage disposal, or snow shovel or education or whatever?
There are plenty of places to make it up.
BTW-most people don't reach the yearly limit of SS tax. So if say SS was taxed on a different scale over the point where people never get up to, that would not affect say 80% of the taxpayers, but would make those earning more pay more.
And making the Capital gains tax larger would mean the wealthy pay even more.
The rich don't make big salaries, they get paid in stocks/bonds. Tax that even more.
Plenty of ways to make up the difference.
(and IMHO, make pot legal and put the same tax on it as cigarettes, 100% amnesty then citizenship instantly and then tax all the immigrants who now are legal citizens making legal salaries and billions more.
oh, and yes, I am for taxing the internet because prior to internet shopping, everyone already paid those taxes and didn't complain. So shopping online should be taxed, it helps the brick retailer compete today and is only fair to help those people.
Remember, as democrats, we don't mind taxes long as the money goes into spending for good stuff we all need.
Here is a suggestion-raise money by putting a really big tax on guns and bullets.
Make those items like the repubs want abortions, to be used and bought infrequently and all.
Say a 50% tax rise.
As they are an item most don't ever need (I think just 4.3 million people are members of the NRA, and the vast majority of those are wealthy republicans, so tax tax tax them.
Same with other big items like yachts.
btw, there is no new agreement about "the fiscal cliff". So why think it is a negative, prior to even seeing or hearing anything about it but soundbytes from interested parties and bravado by certain politicians.