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In reply to the discussion: 'Hamas's hands are covered in Egypt's blood,' says Egyptian ex-MP [View all]radius777
(3,814 posts)32. Civilians (including women, babies, etc) should not be forced to 'pay a price'
for the actions of terrorists. The terrorists themselves should've been surgically targeted. But of course that is not what IDF/Netanyahu wants - he wants to use this as an excuse to destroy/remove Palestinians so he can claim the territory for himself.
Hamas's attack killed 1200 Israelis - IDF has killed 30,000 Palestinians and displaced many more. That is not a proportionate response - unless one believes that the lives of brown-skinned Muslims are worth far less than the lives of white skinned Judeo-Christians.
From Michelle Goldberg (who is Jewish) from the NYT:
https://www.ips-journal.eu/topics/foreign-and-security-policy/america-must-face-up-to-israels-extremism-7268/
25.01.2024 | Michelle Goldberg - The New York Times.
America must face up to Israels extremism
The resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the Israeli government.
Two far-right members of Israels Cabinet the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich caused an international uproar this week with their calls to depopulate the Gaza Strip. If in Gaza there will be 100 000 or 200 000 Arabs and not two million, the entire conversation on the day after will look different, said Smotrich, who called for most civilians in Gaza to be resettled in other countries. The war, said Ben-Gvir, presents an opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza, facilitating Israeli settlement in the region.
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But its not clear, because were writing a blank check to a government whose leader is only a bit more coy than Ben-Gvir and Smotrich about his intentions for Gaza. According to The Times of Israel, Netanyahu told a Likud faction he is searching for countries that residents of the Gaza Strip can be sent to. Our problem, he reportedly said, is finding countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it. The newspaper reported that the voluntary resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.
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Pro-Israel Democrats want to back a war to remove Hamas from Gaza. But increasingly, it looks as if America is underwriting a war to remove Gazans from Gaza. Experts in international law can debate whether the forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza can be classified as genocidal, as South Africa is claiming at the International Court of Justice, or as some lesser type of war crime. But whatever you want to call attempts to thin out Gazas population as Hebrew newspaper Israel Hayom described an alleged Netanyahu proposal the United States is implicated in them.
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25.01.2024 | Michelle Goldberg - The New York Times.
America must face up to Israels extremism
The resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the Israeli government.
Two far-right members of Israels Cabinet the national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich caused an international uproar this week with their calls to depopulate the Gaza Strip. If in Gaza there will be 100 000 or 200 000 Arabs and not two million, the entire conversation on the day after will look different, said Smotrich, who called for most civilians in Gaza to be resettled in other countries. The war, said Ben-Gvir, presents an opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza, facilitating Israeli settlement in the region.
...
But its not clear, because were writing a blank check to a government whose leader is only a bit more coy than Ben-Gvir and Smotrich about his intentions for Gaza. According to The Times of Israel, Netanyahu told a Likud faction he is searching for countries that residents of the Gaza Strip can be sent to. Our problem, he reportedly said, is finding countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it. The newspaper reported that the voluntary resettlement of Palestinians from Gaza is slowly becoming a key official policy of the government, with a senior official saying that Israel has held talks with several countries for their potential absorption.
...
Pro-Israel Democrats want to back a war to remove Hamas from Gaza. But increasingly, it looks as if America is underwriting a war to remove Gazans from Gaza. Experts in international law can debate whether the forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza can be classified as genocidal, as South Africa is claiming at the International Court of Justice, or as some lesser type of war crime. But whatever you want to call attempts to thin out Gazas population as Hebrew newspaper Israel Hayom described an alleged Netanyahu proposal the United States is implicated in them.
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'Hamas's hands are covered in Egypt's blood,' says Egyptian ex-MP [View all]
Beastly Boy
Feb 2024
OP
. "Umm Ahmad, who, like most people interviewed for this story, gave only her nickname for safety reasons"
Cha
Feb 2024
#22
Well, as witnessed here, an Israeli didn't even have to say shit for people to blame Israel.
Behind the Aegis
Feb 2024
#35
Al Jazeera also frames the conflict as "Israel's War on Gaza" when Israel is at war with HAMAS. N/T
lapucelle
Feb 2024
#26
Civilians (including women, babies, etc) should not be forced to 'pay a price'
radius777
Feb 2024
#32
When the terrorists are forcing people, including women, babies, etc., to pay the price,
Beastly Boy
Feb 2024
#33
The IDF is not intentionally targeting civilians. Hamas is intentionally hiding behind civilians.
Beastly Boy
Feb 2024
#43
We are seeing the effect of pro-Hamas propaganda, which launched on October 7.
yardwork
Feb 2024
#44