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Tue Dec 19, 2023, 09:38 AM Dec 2023

I don't know how to explain my feelings about the USA without fueling accusations of anti Americanism [View all]

I can start by saying that I love this country and all of its natural beauty, but it’s the people who would allow a despot to achieve power - again, and with full knowledge beforehand - and openly state their intention to vote for him.

I’ve been disappointed by learning about the dark aspects of US history, and my conscience won’t let me leave it alone. How can I, when Jim Crow-era laws are rising from the ashes and First Nations people are being swindled like it was still the 1870s? The present trajectory doesn’t bode well for the future.

While on the subject, I’ve never liked those who present as ‘the ugly American’ abroad. American exceptionalism and hubris are only marginally offset by the likes of the Peace Corps. Am I wrong in being embarrassed by the actions of fellow citizens who demand privileges based on nationality?

My list of grievances is long, ranging from ‘Christian’ nationalism to the military-industrial complex. I can acknowledge the contributions made by science and technology for the betterment of humanity around the world without approving of multinational capitalism destroying lives in the process.

For a long time, I’ve pondered turning my back on the nation of my birth for a more civilized society. The number of people who are okey-dokey with fascism has pushed me to actually consider emigration in a more serious way. And that’s where feathers get ruffled.

Not that my military service matters in this decision, but I put my life on the line for a long time in support of the US Constitution, and it causes great distress that practically half of elected representatives would choose to benefit a former KGB officer over a democratically-elected leader whose nation was attacked by the successor state to the USSR.

So, yeah, I’m considering leaving the USA, whether or not the worst thing possible happens next year. Some suggest I’m taking the coward’s way out - opting to cut & run instead of staying to fight for change. As I already mentioned, I’m trying really hard as it is not to display my contempt even more openly than I do already. I’m gonna get my ass kicked for my trouble one day. If I’m lucky. I don’t think I have to justify my decision to anyone - especially any armchair patriots who question my love for this country.

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What you have said is not wrong, we need people who see our faults honestly Walleye Dec 2023 #1
If it suits you snowybirdie Dec 2023 #2
If you care snowybirdie Dec 2023 #3
If Trump becomes dictator Farmer-Rick Dec 2023 #13
Easy to say if you can blend in with everyone else ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #35
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #4
There's fighting ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #36
I'm very aware of that. I saw nothing in the OP to indicate they face those challenges, and people who can seriously WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #43
Don't leave: vote. Talk everyone you know into voting. When I get questioned I question those losers back ... marble falls Dec 2023 #5
And what happens if we vote and still lose? ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #37
There are always problems wherever you go and you'll be a foreigner. Fit in whether you like it or not. betsuni Dec 2023 #6
Almost all of our ancestors left their home country for a better life in the US. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #7
My ancestors were brought here in chains. John Shaft Dec 2023 #10
Yes some were brought by force and enslaved. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #19
I'm there with you moniss Dec 2023 #12
I can get a passport to one European country Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #20
Sadly it is a true fact moniss Dec 2023 #25
Yes. Your post is excellent. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #27
These days it's extremely hard to gain entry to most countries dickthegrouch Dec 2023 #49
If the targeting of certain groups continue, they can argue they need be given refugee status. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #53
If you are present in the US for more than 183 days in any calendar year dickthegrouch Dec 2023 #54
I thank goddess... usedtobedemgurl Dec 2023 #31
Many years ago I had moniss Dec 2023 #33
Ugly American Cherokee100 Dec 2023 #8
I agree that we have a lot of problems in this country, but many of them can be fixed with time and votes for Democrats. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #9
If TFG is re-elected in 2024, I will abandon the US by January 2025. No apologies. sinkingfeeling Dec 2023 #11
My ancestors came here before William Penn RainCaster Dec 2023 #14
Lots of judgement on this thread, Eyesore. Each person has their own destiny, their own path. PatrickforB Dec 2023 #15
We've considered leaving too, but kids and grandkids here and the better concept of America is worth a fight dutch777 Dec 2023 #16
I thought about leaving this country but being as poor as I am I have no choice in the matter Stargazer99 Dec 2023 #17
I going to stick it out. pwb Dec 2023 #18
I Love My Country Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #21
Wherever you go to find serenity sindri Dec 2023 #24
That's always been my answer to the "Love it or leave it" false patriots Martin Eden Dec 2023 #32
I would have to be emotionally sick to love a country Stargazer99 Dec 2023 #40
Really where you going to go? UK was imperialistic and massively racist-still is. Demsrule86 Dec 2023 #22
It's BAD no doubt about that. BUT what if the soldiers in WW1 and WW2 thought that way and did the same? bluestarone Dec 2023 #23
Exactly my thought Rebl2 Dec 2023 #30
My Husband and I Have Discussed It Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #26
At least you have a good answer for your critics Shermann Dec 2023 #28
There's also how our divided government (dumb ass GOP isolationism) causes us to... brush Dec 2023 #29
Would emigrating lessen your love or your concerns for America? Martin Eden Dec 2023 #34
Worst country on the planet maxsolomon Dec 2023 #38
The country is a work-in-progress struggle4progress Dec 2023 #39
Criticizing the country is PART of being an American. WarGamer Dec 2023 #41
What country has the ethical purity your looking for? Mosby Dec 2023 #42
Thanks for the responses EYESORE 9001 Dec 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Dec 2023 #48
If it weren't so expensive to move to a saner, more Democratic and liberal country to my liking... Silent3 Dec 2023 #45
I will never abandon my country to fascism Skittles Dec 2023 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Dec 2023 #47
America is beautiful not perfect uponit7771 Dec 2023 #50
Which places consider to be better civilized societies ? JI7 Dec 2023 #51
Yes. betsuni Dec 2023 #52
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