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Igel

(36,517 posts)
7. Fascism/Nazism weren't quite the same.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 06:03 PM
Dec 2023

But we merge them. They're close enough.

One thing they had in common is overlooked. Widely.

Fascism was as much a political as an economic system. Politically-oriented tune out one of the two axes. Science teaching in the US is moving to "3-dimensional teaching," let's at least aim for 2-dimensional thinking in the social "sciences," shall we?

Both hated capitalism. "Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, everything for the state." Fascism. The government controls production ... indirectly. Hitler hated capitalism, and is on record more than once saying it--the business owners could keep their kit provided they knew their masters. The government says, "Make X," they make X. They get uppity and don't obey their overlords? Bad things happen.

It's Hitler. It's Mussolini. It's Putin. It's any head of government that tells as business that's told in peacetime to disobey the government will lead to extreme pain for the owner--maybe arrest and death, maybe confiscation, maybe pro/persecution until ithe owner/means of production is either obeisant or bought for cheap in bankrupcy.

That bears the the awkward designation "corporatism." If you're authoritarian and don't want to control the means of production, it's enough to puppeteer those who do control the means of production. Easier, actually--if they screw up, you have plausible deniability and somebody to draw in quarter to entertain and distract the messes. Uh ... "masses." It's being a Pierson's Puppeteer--leading from behind.

By the way, you look at nationalism, and you get Putin, you get Maduro, you get Trump, you get the PLO and you get the PRC and Taiwan; you get white nationalists and you get many BLM supporters, and MEChA, for sure. It's like saying that ethnicity focuses on "food". I like food, Xi likes food, a random boricua likes food, as does a random Maori. Obviously we all like the same "food"! Uh. Just. No. Food comes in varieties, varieties of shades of grey--and, getting past 1D thinking, shades of blue and red and yellow, in 3D. At least.

Similarly, there are distinctions in nationalism. One can think one's culture or nation is worth existing without thinking all the others must be extinguished; one can think one's culture or nation is so superior that obviously inferiors, "deplorables," must convert. (Same for religion. I'm happy coexisting with Hindus and Sikhs. Preachers, religious or ideological or nationalistic or whatever--those who want to change my 'culture' and 'beliefs' or 'values', in short, 'change agents' ... thanks for reminding me why I have a front door and ignore the door bell half the time; why I have an 'off' button on my radio and tv, and there's that x in the upper right-hand screen of every browser I've used for 25 years. Now, youse, just sod off, you effing POC.) (My '90s acronym for "piece of crap." Used "POS" until "point of sale" pushed out "piece of shit." "POT" [ piece of turd ] is too 2-5. And "POP"? Too pre-K-1. I will *not* call Trump, "You effing POP.&quot

Flattening thinking and models is like flattening a cat or a child. Nothing good comes of it. Just minimalist thinking with delusions of ... no, just delusions.

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K & R Awesome post! FakeNoose Dec 2023 #1
Indeed! I LOVE the illustrations. calimary Dec 2023 #4
It's likely already too late. J_William_Ryan Dec 2023 #2
It is, sadly. When half the popluation or about that is willing to discard the law Eliot Rosewater Dec 2023 #3
I know you didn't mean half the population... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #8
Half of the voting population, then. And over a 3rd of the population tunes it out and wont Eliot Rosewater Dec 2023 #9
I agree with you on THAT!... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #10
Bigly K&R Bundbuster Dec 2023 #5
K&R onecaliberal Dec 2023 #6
Fascism/Nazism weren't quite the same. Igel Dec 2023 #7
Fascism does NOT hate capitalism SidneyR Dec 2023 #27
Aww. Reminds me of an Italian gent I knew some years back. peppertree Dec 2023 #11
MAGA Is Fascism CitizenZero Dec 2023 #12
Agree completely, but unfortunately General Milley has already retired FakeNoose Dec 2023 #15
I like how you think and I'll build on that KS Toronado Dec 2023 #22
I Think That Is A Good Idea CitizenZero Dec 2023 #30
Election is a mere 11 months away now, time to get busy KS Toronado Dec 2023 #31
K&R x millions Wild blueberry Dec 2023 #13
K&R. Bookmarked and Thanks. c-rational Dec 2023 #14
People see it already. The larger danger that risks TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #16
K&R Excellent post! mountain grammy Dec 2023 #17
I've shared this on here before, but worth doing again: lastlib Dec 2023 #18
Milton Mayer, "They Thought They Were Free" markodochartaigh Dec 2023 #19
I've noticed discussions about fascism in the media that would not have occurred Poiuyt Dec 2023 #20
Thank you for sharing kimbutgar Dec 2023 #21
A lot of American leaders supported Italy's fascism until it aligned with the Nazis LeftInTX Dec 2023 #23
K&R and thank you for the history lesson - bookmarking Rhiannon12866 Dec 2023 #24
Recognizing Fascism 101 SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #25
Yes, I see you got an A+ in class. KS Toronado Dec 2023 #32
Well done! Martin68 Dec 2023 #26
Jared and Ivanka were not unpaid advisors. raging moderate Dec 2023 #28
An easy way is to look for those wearing a red hat with MAGA on them. republianmushroom Dec 2023 #29
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