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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
34. I see it differently
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:18 PM
Nov 2012

Let me start with an overly simplistic generalization. Let us say there are only two types of representatives:

A) Those who honestly represent the people and whose motives are true.

B) Those who are in bed with the lobbyists (and their cash) representing all the special interests that are diametrically opposed to the interests of "the people"

Of course, the world is not so black and white, but allow me that premise for a moment.

The way things are today, all the leverage and incentives are with the people who work for special interest money. And even so, we have been able to achieve something of a standoff. Some people call this "gridlock", but I think it is equally valid to say that there are enough people fighting for the interests of "the people" that we have something that looks like an equilibrium.

Now granted, it is an equilibrium that is heavily slanted towards the richest and most powerful. They depend on this balance of power to maintain that equilibrium that favors them so much.

The elegance of Buffet's idea is that those with disproportionately large amounts of power (or those who abuse the many for the benefit of the few, if you will), have the most to lose if they were to be swept out of power. Therefore, they are the ones most likely to give up some of their advantages if that is the only alternative to being swept from power.

Another way to say the same thing is that if we were to sweep every entrenched Senator or Congressman from power simultaneously, it is more likely that we would a) reduce the role of money in the election process, and b) elect more progressive candidates. Part of what makes our system so diseased is the fact that these people who never seem to leave just gather up more money and more power every year. They didn't usually start in the Congress with all that power and money. The simple fact is that none of these people representing special interests will take the chance of being swept out of power, so they will have to come to the table.

Finally, remember that debilitating austerity isn't the only way to balance the budget. Indeed austerity doesn't see to balance the budget at all. Just as Europe how austerity is going. Ask Japan how austerity has gone since 1991. They used to be the second largest economy in the world.

There are several variables to a balanced budget:

- Income (taxes, fees, etc)
- Direct program costs (military budget, etc)
- Growth rate (please note that Buffet's idea states deficit as a %of GDP, so growth is an important factor in raising revenues and also in giving the Buffet fraction a larger denominator)
- Program savings (e.g. letting medicare negotiate drug prices)

If we tell our representatives that they must balance all of those factors in an equitable way or else they will all leave office, it is not obvious to me the compromise answer will be austerity.

Buffett did say that about ending the deficit. The rest of the e-mail has nothing to do with him. Brickbat Nov 2012 #1
Well, crap, knew I should have done a little research. Sorry folks. Democrat 4 Ever Nov 2012 #2
You can self-delete this OP pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #6
I agree with Buffet's proposition but not the rest of the enumerated points. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #21
cheap rhetoric is hardly the mark of genius unblock Nov 2012 #3
Not true. See "Warren Buffett and the Mythical 'Congressional Reform Act'"... pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #4
My crap alerter went off just reading it. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #13
Term limits are a terrible idea. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #22
++++++ FredStembottom Nov 2012 #33
Thank you. freshwest Nov 2012 #14
Brickbat jumped in first pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #18
I noticed the Recs, too. Flying by, I guess, didn't read. I'll look for Brickbat's post, too. freshwest Nov 2012 #19
Wait, where is that? Oh, never mind. We're just enouraging this thread. I'm gone. freshwest Nov 2012 #20
My general rule: Don't trust anything on Facebook. ProgressoDem Nov 2012 #31
Just what we need - 435 Reps and 33 Senators with no experience running the country central scrutinizer Nov 2012 #5
Agree. California is sufering from xxqqqzme Nov 2012 #25
this crap is not worth passing on hfojvt Nov 2012 #7
Excellent points. freshwest Nov 2012 #15
Yep exactly. DireStrike Nov 2012 #27
he forgot to exile grover norquist. pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #8
The chief cause of the deficit, this is just cheap shots. freshwest Nov 2012 #16
We could solve MOST of our problems using this method. bvar22 Nov 2012 #9
Buffet's proposal would force compromise BlueStreak Nov 2012 #23
Hasn't this been debunked by snopes? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #10
See pinboy's reply, thoroughly debunked, nadin. freshwest Nov 2012 #17
No, not thoroughly debunked. The first statement is definitely BlueStreak Nov 2012 #24
Deficit hawk while millions are impoverished? Not a good idea. freshwest Nov 2012 #30
I see it differently BlueStreak Nov 2012 #34
Nothing you have said makes it obvious that it *won't* be austerity for the needy w/o power. freshwest Nov 2012 #35
A change in the status quou favors progressives BlueStreak Nov 2012 #36
public pressure to allow 18 year-olds to vote was because of vietnam and the draft. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #11
I remember walking to get petitions on that when I was a teen. I wouldn't get to vote for a while, freshwest Nov 2012 #26
THIS IS A BS VIRAL EMAIL THAT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #12
And what if Congress achieves that 3% ceiling by cutting ALL social programs? Matariki Nov 2012 #28
Great ideas.These bums are the real parasites of his county.More than 2/3's are millionaires already judesedit Nov 2012 #29
I like the combining of the Congressional retirement fund with Social Security. fasttense Nov 2012 #32
I think Warren Buffett is smarter than to propose a nonstarter like this. Bucky Nov 2012 #37
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