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19. It is an interesting conundrum
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 06:14 PM
Dec 2023

The fallacy I see is the claim of dual loyalty. If an American Jewish person has no loyalty to Israel, that is fine. Jews are no more a monolith than any other group.

However for that American Jew to profess to Israeli Jews they have no right to their own country would be, ironically, antisemitic. An American Jewish person has no right to tell an Israeli Jewish person what they have a "right" to believe. Of course being in a country with freedom of speech, I do not think they should face punishment for expressing that opinion peacefully.

And just to be consistent, I would also say the same if an American Palestinian were to say Palestinians in the Middle East have no right to desire their own homeland.

When did Omar (MN) move to NY? Ocelot II Dec 2023 #1
Lol sarisataka Dec 2023 #4
What were their reasons? jpak Dec 2023 #2
What should I say? LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #3
Most of the Democratic caucus, rightly, did not vote yes. David__77 Dec 2023 #5
They voted Present LeftInTX Dec 2023 #8
The resolution also said anti-Zionism is antisemitism. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #6
Which is correct. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #9
It's not, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #10
Why don't Jews get self determination like every other peoples on earth? NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #29
Anti-Zionism *often is* antisemitism... Silent3 Dec 2023 #13
Are we defining anti-Zionism sarisataka Dec 2023 #11
So an American anti-Zionist Jewish person, by not being dual-loyalist enough, is thus antisemitic in the eyes WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #15
It is an interesting conundrum sarisataka Dec 2023 #19
What the actual fuck? OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #20
This is non-binding...LOL It's more or less a "political statement" LeftInTX Dec 2023 #21
Right, because ACTUAL FUCKING NAZIS maxrandb Dec 2023 #26
Thats why i just stay away from the word.. TheRealNorth Dec 2023 #22
I haven't seen the text of the resolution sarisataka Dec 2023 #25
Yes, it was written to divide "expose" Democrats as not being patriotic enough to put Israel before the US. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #28
Albert Einstein and Isaac Asimov -- who knew they were antisemitic? And all the Hassidim too! Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #32
Initially, there was more than one flavor of Jewish Zionist. PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #34
edit - thought it was a different resolution tritsofme Dec 2023 #7
Most Democrats did not vote yes to this resolution. David__77 Dec 2023 #12
Shameful and disgusting. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #14
I may have confused this with Nadler's resolution. tritsofme Dec 2023 #16
It was an awkward resolution. Meshing anti-zionism with anti-semitism. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #17
Not awkward... DELIBERATE B.See Dec 2023 #30
deliberately awkward LeftInTX Dec 2023 #31
This is a misleading post in that a majority of the Democratic votes were not "Yea" PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #18
True Polybius Dec 2023 #24
Come on, AOC Polybius Dec 2023 #23
How about a resolution 'strongly denouncing' the rise of anti-semitism, as well as DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #33
+1 leftstreet Dec 2023 #35
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