Thanksgiving, the holiday that gotten eaten alive.

[woo me with science]

13. Of course you will argue that. The role of the corporate defenders

is *always* to argue that the corporatization of our society (and our government) is all driven by the people, rather than trillions in advertising and propaganda and systematic minimization of other options in people's lives. The goal of the corporatists is to create a society in which we work and consume, go home and watch commercials on TV, and then go out and work and consume some more.

Your arguing of both sides here is classic Third Way doublespeak from a faction of our party that seeks to be perceived as sharing the same values and concerns as ordinary Democrats, while simultaneously pushing the corporate propaganda and/or policies that trash those values.

You first argue, ridiculously, that Madhound is silly to just use words on a discussion board and should be involved in "here-and-now" efforts to address the problem instead. Yet you then argue that it's not a problem at all, but a natural transition of our society that people want and enjoy.

Sounds just like the doublespeak arguments we hear from the Third Way about every other corporate outrage in our lives.