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In reply to the discussion: One teen’s standardized testing horror story (and where it will lead) [View all]Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)19. What were the essays about?
There were no AP classes when I was in high school (I don't know if that is a function of the time or the place), so I don't know what the questions are like. But the piece in the OP says, "instead of analyzing themes or characters our teacher would give us questions which we would have to write essays about in a 50 minute class period similar to what we would find on the AP Exam and in college classes."
The essays I wrote in college literature classes were about analyzing themes and characters. If the AP exam is similar than I am pleasantly surprised. When I opened the OP, I expected it to be about the multiple choice questions.
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One teen’s standardized testing horror story (and where it will lead) [View all]
proud2BlibKansan
Nov 2012
OP
Education now about profit for testing companies. And test-scoring companies. And Billionaires.
madfloridian
Nov 2012
#1
"then no universities won't drop Journalism as a major until they absolutely must."
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#28
you can presume all you like; it's not grammatical, and the problem isn't just a
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#57
LOL and you worked in the field, criticized some 18-year old's blog post, and your comment is shoddy
CreekDog
Nov 2012
#139
journalism isn't just about reporting, and while there are way less jobs than there
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#54
essay grading on standardized tests is an assembly line process. no "many" about it.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#156
i can vouch for that. you use a rubric with certain points you look for. the kid can use
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#155
He makes it pretty clear that the focus of his coursework was on test prep,
proud2BlibKansan
Nov 2012
#9
oh bull. there's plenty of kids/people who don't test well, for various reasons, but
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#38
do they give standardized tests to judge appearance & cooking? i had no idea.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#87
In high school, my calculus teacher would tear his hair out because I did so poorly on tests
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#48
It's not good form to make readers guess what AP means either. "Schools hard and boring", not shit.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#58
The kid didn't write it for WAPO readers. He wrote it on his blog, for an audience
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#157
I care because I care deeply about education, its role in society, and that future.
harmonicon
Nov 2012
#166
test prep classes don't inspire anyone. classes of the type the student praised, do.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#167
Expecting to write essays and developing writing skills are NOT mutually exclusive.
silhouete2
Nov 2012
#29
Thank you for that. My high school AP classes not only addressed a well constructed essay but a well
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#52
if it's so sure-fire, why did he do poorly in english? but for my money, writing
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#31
lol. "developed better writing skills in college". i've done essay grading/norming
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#37
Well, I went on for art and was lucky to have some writers as teachers.
Starry Messenger
Nov 2012
#94
i wasn't being snarky about learning better writing skills in college. i thought it was
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#154
i didn't notice any in the excerpt (except for the other one in the same section, as noted
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#158
Exactly, when in a class do what the teacher wants. When employed do what the employer wants.
xtraxritical
Nov 2012
#55
Why would it not have passed muster in your journalism classes back in the 1960s? It's a personal
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#65
Subject matter has nothing to do with it...style and grammar, everything.
Sekhmets Daughter
Nov 2012
#97
Well, I can see that textual criticism is not your forte, to put it mildly. Singh's piece
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#144
OMG. You tell me there are numerous errors, & that's the kind of BS you come up
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#160
it's funny that you, the uber writing critic, are ignorant of the theme, the discussion, etc.
CreekDog
Nov 2012
#142
i criticized you NOT because i thought Singh's post was brilliant or error-free, by no means
CreekDog
Nov 2012
#146
If he wasn't capable of college-level work, he shouldn't have been in the AP class.
Romulox
Nov 2012
#6
Yes indeed I did. The young man does not appear prepared for college-level course work.
Romulox
Nov 2012
#12
Nope. Not at the level he describes. He needs to APPLY that basic level of skill to earn AP
Romulox
Nov 2012
#42
I've taken every level of english class that exists and supposedly am in the top 1%
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#50
no problem, i'll just put you on ignore. no great loss in missing the posts of some
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#72
For someone who places in the "top 1%" they sure have a strange writing style.
joshcryer
Nov 2012
#159
then he was obviously judged capable of higher level work, or he wouldn't have gotten
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#33
that's his beef. the class didn't *do* the higher-level work. it was a test-prep
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#45
lol. the central theme is quite clear, and the grammar is fine (at least in the excerpt) but
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#49
Um, try reading *the piece*, rather than excerpt. This is a discussion about that piece,
Romulox
Nov 2012
#69
Congratulations, exboyfil, for figuring this out. Slowly, the word is getting out.
antigop
Nov 2012
#134
Standardized testing is not only for AP kids and college bound kids. You start in 3rd grade in MA.
Mass
Nov 2012
#13
Just to be clear: to get the AP credit, you must pass the AP test. Then you take the SAT.
Romulox
Nov 2012
#15
100% relevant. If the kid wants learning qua learning, AP class ain't the place.
Romulox
Nov 2012
#40
AP classes are not -- or didn't use to be -- test prep classes. AP classes began
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#41
AP classes are held at high schools, not "elite colleges". You may be thinking of a different
Romulox
Nov 2012
#70
The wiki link does support the idea that those who fail to earn the credits are poorly served
Romulox
Nov 2012
#74
And in post #67 I list the score distributions. LOTS of students don't get college credit. nt
antigop
Nov 2012
#131
the guy is saying that there wasn't any analysis of themes and characters in the class.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#44
that's a different issue. i think it would be an unusual class -- & a pretty useless
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#53
Can't help it, but this makes me think of National Lampoon's 1974 Stupid Aptitude Test
eridani
Nov 2012
#82
and a lot of the questions are poorly written. The student can make the case for several answers.nt
antigop
Nov 2012
#92
If your child can test out of a semester's worth of introductory level courses, it's worth it.
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#62
See post #67 for the score distribution on AP English. Low percentage of students will get credit.
antigop
Nov 2012
#91
With AP credits and a couple of summer sessions, my daughter got her BS in three years.
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#96
And how much did she enjoy her high school years? How much stress was she under? n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#99
She had a ball, and she enjoyed a number of extracurricular activities and sports
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#104
I'll bet she was under a tremendous amount of stress and she lost a year of her youth n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#106
College students have more time off than others who go to work out of high school and get 2 weeks.
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#105
Well, she spent another 3 years getting a professional degree -- does that count as youth?
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#107
I'll repeat --- at least 40% of the test takers did not get college credit. n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#111
A 60% chance of getting a college credit is worth about $1700, while the test costs $89.
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#113
What percent of freshmen who try out for football make it to the varsity squad as seniors?
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#116
Since you dismissed a sports analogy with academics, I replied with an academic analogy.
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#136
As much as 60% of the students PAID FOR THE TEST and didn't get credit. FAIL n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#126
Maybe because DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING in the AP classes or are too burned out from them n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#130
And I still feel sorry for your daughter, losing a year of her youth, probably stressed out and lost
antigop
Nov 2012
#121
and it's only a 60% "CHANCE" -- even a score of "4" or "5" will not guarantee credit.
antigop
Nov 2012
#115
See post #67 for the score distribution on AP English. Low percentage of students will get credit.
antigop
Nov 2012
#93
Writing essays leads to greater rigor and organization of thought than discussion
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#60
Learning to write an in-class essay is an important skill he'll need in college.
LeftyMom
Nov 2012
#63
AP is mostly just a cash cow for the testing company. Take a look at the score distribution here
antigop
Nov 2012
#67
good catch. invalidates some of the other criticisms made, as his audience wasn't
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#89
In what universe would a 40% failure rate be considered a good idea? See post #67.
antigop
Nov 2012
#95
I feel sorry for the kids whose parents force them to put up with this stress. n/t
antigop
Nov 2012
#129