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BlueCheeseAgain

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Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:35 PM Oct 2023

NYT: As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies [View all]

As supplies of virtually every basic human necessity dwindle in Gaza, one group in the besieged enclave remains well-stocked: Hamas.

Arab and Western officials say there is substance to Israeli claims of Hamas stockpiling supplies, including desperately needed food and fuel. Hamas, they say, has spent years building dozens of kilometers of tunnels under the strip where it has amassed stores of virtually everything needed for a drawn-out fight. It is a reality that Israel may soon find itself grappling with if it makes good on its threat to invade Gaza.

Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine, the officials said. A senior Lebanese official said Hamas, which is estimated to number between 35,000 and 40,000, had enough stocked away to keep fighting for three to four months without resupply.


Later on in this article is this rather interestingly phrased paragraph:

The supply situation speaks to the relative sophistication of Hamas as a fighting force — an axiom among military professionals is that while amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics. Yet with Gazans facing a humanitarian catastrophe, Hamas’s stockpiles raise questions about what responsibility, if any, it has to the civilian population.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/us/politics/palestine-gazans-hamas-food.html

Isn't Hamas the government of Gaza? How can they not have responsibility to the civilian population? They may not care about the civilian population, but as the government and army that holds Gaza, they surely have the responsibility.

In any case, maybe some of the condemnations for the awful humanitarian crisis in Gaza should be redirected to Hamas, who have plenty of fuel for fighting and rockets, but seemingly none for hospitals and ambulances.
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What is it going to take for people to realize PCIntern Oct 2023 #1
The side that refers to them as freedom fighters are completely dug in on their position. Ace Rothstein Oct 2023 #5
What worries me is when I see those who I considered intelligent progressives Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #62
One has to assume a big chunk of humanitarian aid will disappear into their tunnels and bank accounts dalton99a Oct 2023 #11
Not an assumption but a reality. KewlKat Oct 2023 #39
This BBC report confirms that Hamas wnylib Oct 2023 #44
Of Couse the Butchers of HAMAS DO That. Shame Cha Oct 2023 #60
This is a pro-Israeli Lobby Group. AloeVera Oct 2023 #61
I looked up a link on the story after wnylib Oct 2023 #63
Hamas are barbarians. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #2
K&R betsuni Oct 2023 #3
No elections, no responsibility to the people who aren't voters. We already have a system where Congress ignores the brewens Oct 2023 #4
The people of their district voted for those members JI7 Oct 2023 #6
It's estimated about 7% of the current population voted for Hamas. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #22
Haven't heard much opposition to them JI7 Oct 2023 #23
where do you listen WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #24
Many places and in fact I have heard support for them JI7 Oct 2023 #25
huh WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #26
'Many places' translates as GD posts that include 'FUUUCK HAMAS!!!!' Violet_Crumble Oct 2023 #36
That's because Hamas tells them that wnylib Oct 2023 #45
Hey fucking Hamas Terrorists Cha Oct 2023 #7
I've always like the way you express yourself in demur ladylike language. speak easy Oct 2023 #13
Reminds me of my aunt Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2023 #14
Yeah, that went out the window Cha Oct 2023 #15
Priorities NowISeetheLight Oct 2023 #16
Yeah like.. Hamas Headquarters and Terrorist Complex is beneath the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Cha Oct 2023 #19
Cha, stop sugar coating it. Tell it like it is! :) Wonder Why Oct 2023 #28
Yeah, I do let loose.. Cha Oct 2023 #30
You could almost be an honourary Aussie! Violet_Crumble Oct 2023 #37
My son in law is an Aussie from Melbourne.. my Cha Oct 2023 #58
I posted this BBC link upthread. You might want to read wnylib Oct 2023 #46
Mahalo for letting me know, wnylib.. Cha Oct 2023 #59
Hamas views civilians as a defensive option. They only care about destroying 🇮🇱 oldsoftie Oct 2023 #8
Israel uses their weapons to protect their people. cloudbase Oct 2023 #54
WELL PUT oldsoftie Oct 2023 #64
Hamas is sitting on vital supplies that could sustain 2 million Gazans for a week. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #9
An Observation, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #12
I wouldn't dream of appealing to Hamas' common sense. I am trying to appeal to the common sense of Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #21
Part of the problem I think, Sir, is that too few Americans understand 9/11. yardwork Oct 2023 #42
You touched on my pet peeve, which is much broader than the ignorant naivetee of american public Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #53
That's an interesting point. yardwork Oct 2023 #57
The answer to your question Chautauquas Oct 2023 #47
That is a much larger force than I had thought. maxsolomon Oct 2023 #10
Of course, the Israeli authorities will not allow the non-combatants out of the battle zone. David__77 Oct 2023 #17
It took four years of brutal warfare for the Syrian government to set up a humanitrian corridor in Aleppo. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #32
It was not cordoned until 2016. David__77 Oct 2023 #33
Five months between total siege and establisgment of a supply line. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #38
Hamas is killing Palestinian babies. wnylib Oct 2023 #48
Apparently HAMAS Headquarters and Terrorist Complex is beneath the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Cha Oct 2023 #18
Because Hamas wants Palestinians to suffer and die for more Hamas power. Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #35
Hamas doesn't care about the average citizen in Gaza SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #20
That's why JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #27
This. There could have been peace decades ago. yardwork Oct 2023 #41
Hamas is still stealing humanitarian aid wnylib Oct 2023 #49
MAGA Hamas shitstain motherfuckers. SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #29
"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." Eko Oct 2023 #31
Hamas said they've been planning this for two years. That means they PLANNED for Palestinians to Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #34
They justify it in their mission of destroying Israel. wnylib Oct 2023 #50
How can Hamas not have responsibility to the civilians they govern? yardwork Oct 2023 #40
Hamas is far more concerned with killing Jews than with the plight of civilians in Gaza rollin74 Oct 2023 #43
This is why phone communications should remain open. gulliver Oct 2023 #51
State-Sanctioned Violence and Civilian Casualties Ontoepistemic Oct 2023 #52
Both Hamas and Israel hold Palestinian lives in low regard. comradebillyboy Oct 2023 #55
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #56
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