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Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:00 PM Oct 2023

Judge Engoron just tore into Trump... [View all]

erica orden @eorden
The judge is now closing the courtroom with Trump and lawyers still in there.

erica orden @eorden
Judge Engoron just tore into Trump, accusing him of having potentially violated the gag order again with comments he made outside the courtroom. Judge said he is under the impression Trump again disparaged his law clerk. Trump lawyer Chris Kise argued Trump was referring to Cohen

Here is what Trump said: "it would have been fair at least...because no negative jury would vote against me. But this judge will, because this judge is a very partisan judge with a person who's very partisan sitting alongside… perhaps even much more partisan than he is.”

The judge said: "I am very protective of my staff, as i should be…I don’t want anybody killed." After Kise claimed Trump was referring to Cohen, Judge Engoron said he would take the matter under advisement.

More Engoron: "I stated the last time that any future violations would be severely punished.
Why should there not be severe sanctions for this blatant, dangerous disobeyal of a court order?"

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Trump's lawyer says he'd asked Trump about the remark and was told he was referring to Cohen, not the judge's law clerk. The judge was skeptical.

"Language sometimes is not clear, but this is clear to me," Judge Engoron said, adding he'd take the matter "under advisement."

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Sanction him ! Shut him up!...nt MiHale Oct 2023 #1
Cohen wouldn't have been referred to as more partisan than the judge. TheBlackAdder Oct 2023 #55
Um... ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #65
You've boxed yourself in, your honor gratuitous Oct 2023 #2
What you said! rurallib Oct 2023 #9
Warm up the guillotine! Off with his silly head, I say! machoneman Oct 2023 #38
LOCK HIM UP! KS Toronado Oct 2023 #47
did you miss the earlier fine? bigtree Oct 2023 #16
Yes, the judge fined the defendant a pittance gratuitous Oct 2023 #30
he's responsible for his own court bigtree Oct 2023 #37
I haven't criticized the judge at all gratuitous Oct 2023 #40
but he hasn't 'backed down' bigtree Oct 2023 #41
But wow! Two slaps on the wrist this time gratuitous Oct 2023 #49
or rope bigtree Oct 2023 #52
Trial is over. Trump lost. This part is about punishment Attilatheblond Oct 2023 #33
This is not a trial. The judge already ruled Pendejo45 GUILTY ... aggiesal Oct 2023 #60
It wasn't a criminal case ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #64
So obviously you haven't had a drink to calm down ... aggiesal Oct 2023 #72
Maybe Timewas Oct 2023 #19
just like the toddler pushing it to a conclusion. You can't give in to terrorism. Evolve Dammit Oct 2023 #28
Reminds me of some of my teacher moments... ananda Oct 2023 #29
It is either the judge 'puts up' or shuts up ... or make sure Donnie does NotHardly Oct 2023 #36
More hot air claudette Oct 2023 #3
who is attacking the judge right now? bigtree Oct 2023 #4
Except claudette Oct 2023 #5
I bet you don't have a gag order either. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #10
Americans have an OBLIGATION to speak out against bad judges. Irish_Dem Oct 2023 #8
this judge already ruled, by himself, against Trump on the actual case bigtree Oct 2023 #20
Hear, hear! This judge seems to take "deliberation" seriously. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2023 #39
Good luck. TwilightZone Oct 2023 #58
Some people want blood MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #63
OMG MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #62
It's way past time to shut DjT up ... In every sense!... Jrose Oct 2023 #6
blah blah blah judge blah blah blah Fullduplexxx Oct 2023 #7
he already decided against Trump bigtree Oct 2023 #13
Give TFG some contempt nights in jail. marble falls Oct 2023 #11
I think he'd appeal a detention, marble falls bigtree Oct 2023 #14
Don't Think It Would Delay The Trial ProfessorGAC Oct 2023 #21
ty bigtree Oct 2023 #31
He can appeal from his jail cell. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #50
Pretty hard to stop an overnite contempt jailing. Won't interfere with the trial at all. marble falls Oct 2023 #78
I think he did mean Cohen. "Sitting alongside" meant Cohen, the guy sitting in the witness box. CrispyQ Oct 2023 #12
That's quite a stretch dpibel Oct 2023 #27
I wouldn't think a clerk would be involved in decison making either. thesquanderer Oct 2023 #73
There is NO WAY MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #66
Whatever he meant, maybe he'll shut the fuck up next time. ecstatic Oct 2023 #70
Rump likens himself to Nelson Mandela EYESORE 9001 Oct 2023 #15
Mandella. Let that sink in folks. That's who this flaming asshole thinks he is?? Of course not. Evolve Dammit Oct 2023 #34
Hey Judge Engoron, you got a message waiting from Lance Ito . . . NBachers Oct 2023 #17
Again? (yawn) Warpy Oct 2023 #18
explain how the fraud convictions he handed out were 'mollycoddling' bigtree Oct 2023 #24
You may have long snooze ahead. Sadly Evolve Dammit Oct 2023 #35
isn't he barred from attacking witnesses prodigitalson Oct 2023 #22
Jury has already voted against him bmichaelh Oct 2023 #23
Come on Judge ... Do it! FakeNoose Oct 2023 #25
What good are gag orders, when the judge has to construe how a threat was meant? ffr Oct 2023 #26
That's not this gag order dpibel Oct 2023 #32
Sick of kacekwl Oct 2023 #42
you better straighten out, Trump, or you're gonna be in BIG BIG trouble! jcgoldie Oct 2023 #43
I am so sick and tired of heraring 'potentially violated the gag order' William769 Oct 2023 #44
it's a legal process bigtree Oct 2023 #45
Driving drunk is a legal process also. It starts by going to jail. NT William769 Oct 2023 #46
this process doesn't normally begin with jail bigtree Oct 2023 #56
Civil vs criminal. TwilightZone Oct 2023 #57
Driving drunk is a criminal offense ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #67
I was hoping your title was literal MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #48
Gag order bdamomma Oct 2023 #51
are these escalating sanctions really that unusual? bigtree Oct 2023 #53
You're trying to be rational ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #68
Agree Rebl2 Oct 2023 #59
They need a judge on the bench who is a Mom like Nancy Pelosi. redstatebluegirl Oct 2023 #54
A good parent doesn't go from 0 to 100 ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #71
Chump Change damifino10 Oct 2023 #61
Except ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #75
I really appreciate this no-nonsense judge ecstatic Oct 2023 #69
except so far... the penalties are paltry. We shall see, but potential "death threats" should be dealt with Evolve Dammit Oct 2023 #76
Shove a sock in his mouth and lock his ass up. Emile Oct 2023 #74
even if he was talking about Cohen, he's still attacking a witness, and that deserves sanctioning anyway Takket Oct 2023 #77
Jail. Put him in jail. n/t SpankMe Oct 2023 #79
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