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ProSense

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69. There is some massive he said she said in that article, but this is the best part:
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012
The Republican version of reality goes, briefly, like this: Boehner and Obama shook hands on a far-reaching deal to rewrite the tax code, roll back the cost of entitlements and slash deficits. But then Obama, reacting to pressure from Democrats in Congress, panicked at the last minute and suddenly demanded that Republicans accede to hundreds of billions of dollars in additional tax revenue. A frustrated Boehner no longer believed he could trust the president’s word, and he walked away. Obama moved the goal posts, is the Republican mantra.

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On entitlements too they had moved closer to a final deal. The White House agreed to cut at least $250 billion from Medicare in the next 10 years and another $800 billion in the decade after that, in part by raising the eligibility age. The administration had endorsed another $110 billion or so in cuts to Medicaid and other health care programs, with $250 billion more in the second decade. And in a move certain to provoke rebellion in the Democratic ranks, Obama was willing to apply a new, less generous formula for calculating Social Security benefits, which would start in 2015. (The White House had rejected Boehner’s bid to raise the retirement age.) This wasn’t quite enough for Boehner, nor was it as extensive as what the Gang of Six had proposed. But the speaker’s team didn’t consider the differences to be insurmountable, assuming the two sides could also settle on a revenue number.

If the article is to be believed and taken at face value in its entirety, it appears the President rejected a proposal to raise the Social Security age.

Like I said, these discussions aren't so much about demanding the President protect Social Security as much as they are attempts to prove that he has no intention of doing so. That is why what he says will not matter to those pushing this angle. They'll simply parse his words and claim he still intends to cut the program. It will always be wait-and-see, just as it was during the President's first term.

Damn right! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #1
The only time he took SS "off the table" Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #2
K&R forestpath Nov 2012 #3
k/r limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #4
No - Let the Republicans propose more cuts first jberryhill Nov 2012 #5
Hehehe! freshwest Nov 2012 #26
K&R PETRUS Nov 2012 #6
kr HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7
Sounds like more vomit slurping cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #8
Why are you "slurping vomit"? Cha Nov 2012 #10
It's in here. hootinholler Nov 2012 #15
please post your links to obama claims he will veto any damages to SS and medicare. gracias! (that's msongs Nov 2012 #11
I link to NOTHING cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #13
You have a special way about you hootinholler Nov 2012 #12
you know what chained cpi is? ??? dtom67 Nov 2012 #18
cthulu is yanking your chain MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #22
Not only that but they continually get hundreds of recs for that sort of tripe. n/t hootinholler Nov 2012 #55
"Credulous and Nasty about it" MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #23
That is a hell of a great turn of phrase.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #49
Absolutely Liberalynn Nov 2012 #9
I agree! PLW1017 Nov 2012 #21
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #14
I think Medicare "reform" is coming. From what I read, it IS in trouble financially. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #16
Medicare's only in trouble because we choose to not meaningfully reform health care costs MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #25
And Medicare is in trouble because it treats only the oldest, sickest people Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #28
Don't know where you get your SS info. But that's not what Soc Sec Admin says. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #46
It will start to run a deficit - but it will have $4 trillion in the bank MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #47
A deficit is a deficit. It'll have to borrow the $. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #48
If you put enough money in the bank to fully fund your child's college education MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #50
SS will not run a deficit in ten years. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #44
Here's an acceptable reform for Medicare; Eliminate the ban on negotiating costs Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #64
Let Obama handle it. Loudestlib Nov 2012 #17
That's right, we voted, now we are done. Except for sitting back and praising Pres Obama. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #30
That's soooo true!!! Loudestlib Nov 2012 #34
Good grief. Telling the Pres that we dont want cuts to SS and Medicare ISNT TEARING HIM DOWN. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #41
fookin' k & fookin' r spanone Nov 2012 #19
Long ago he said that Social Security and Medicare will need some adjusting for the future. Kablooie Nov 2012 #20
Beep.. This is Barack Obama's presidential voice mail, please leave a message at the tone.. Beep Fumesucker Nov 2012 #24
K & R Change has come Nov 2012 #27
When he says, "entitlement reform"...I get nervous SHRED Nov 2012 #29
Yes please, Mr. Prez! Make those darn liberal hippie radical extremist loudmouth Zorra Nov 2012 #31
"Please, please...force us to totally STFU by taking it off the table." ProSense Nov 2012 #33
exactly argiel1234 Nov 2012 #35
What we need to do ProSense Nov 2012 #39
We can probably add Elizabeth Warren MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #71
Bush did not do anything argiel1234 Nov 2012 #37
LOL! OK, OK...STFU about this issue is what I meant. Zorra Nov 2012 #43
"Tell the US that you will veto any reduction in Social Security or Medicare." ProSense Nov 2012 #32
The President cannot announce cuts in Social Security MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #36
The President can announce that he will veto cuts to Social Security ProSense Nov 2012 #38
Face it hootinholler Nov 2012 #54
Face it: It's not going matter what the President says. ProSense Nov 2012 #56
"no plans to cut Social Security" MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #59
I was hopeful you would get a reply. n/t hootinholler Nov 2012 #60
Since you were hopeful: ProSense Nov 2012 #61
Which pointedly doesn't say there are no plans for Social Security cuts. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #62
If it makes you feel any better, if the Obama "comprise" JDPriestly Nov 2012 #75
"I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position", Obama said. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #40
Either he was talking about Moderate Mitt or those are contradictory statements ProSense Nov 2012 #42
Then why did the President offer to cut benefits by 10% last year? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #52
Well, if he offered to cut it, ProSense Nov 2012 #57
I don't think he will. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #58
He did more than offer, he signed onto it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #65
Thank you for that hootinholler Nov 2012 #66
There is some massive he said she said in that article, but this is the best part: ProSense Nov 2012 #69
This discussion is exactly about preserving Social Security hootinholler Nov 2012 #84
"Fortunately the Teahadists blew up that deal" ProSense Nov 2012 #67
Three things; First, they did win in 2010 thanks in large part to this administration's Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #68
First, it's 2012. ProSense Nov 2012 #70
Who holds the House? It was us before 2010. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #73
What the hell are you talking about? ProSense Nov 2012 #76
Your obsession. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #78
Yeah, it's my fault you're pissed a bad proposal failed. n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #79
I'm not pissed at anything, I'm merely concerned that you appear incapable of Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #80
What exactly ProSense Nov 2012 #82
Are you really that far gone? You have been presented with an established fact from over a year ago. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #86
What? Don't want to play anymore? n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #87
... Scuba Nov 2012 #45
*love* nashville_brook Nov 2012 #63
I'll agree with that clydefrand Nov 2012 #51
Lead them on, PO ReRe Nov 2012 #72
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #74
We need a clear explanation felix_numinous Nov 2012 #77
I have sent an email to the White House stating my opposition to ANY discussion of Social Security LoisB Nov 2012 #81
K&R Hubert Flottz Nov 2012 #83
If WE don't Write The Menu, bvar22 Nov 2012 #85
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