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calico1

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84. It's complicated.

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:01 PM

Nov 2012

I lived there for 11 years when my parents decided to move back. Moved back here in '87.

The general feeling among the pro Commonwealth Democrats is they like the ties to the U.S., like being citizens but also like that bit of independence the status offers them.

Also, the Republicans there are extremely corrupt. You have no idea....

I think the idea of Statehood would be more popular if the party that promoted it weren't full of a-holes. LOL

I myself think Statehood would be good, but I never supported those Republican cretins when I lived there and I would not support them now, nor does most of my family that lives there.

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Post here if you support self-determination for Puerto Rico [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2012 OP

Whatever the folks decide BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #1

I support self determination for Puerto Rico Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #2

I agree... AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #21

I do, but having known some Puerto Ricans in my life I wonder how Cleita Nov 2012 #3

Multi-member districts elected by pr would help in that regard. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #6

I don't think so as long as they are kept honest Cleita Nov 2012 #8

Well, what we have now is corruption and gridlock anyway. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #10

I agree and I think you hit on the solution. Cleita Nov 2012 #14

I would support independence if they had voted for it as well. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #4

As would I. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #9

If other states already in the Union decide they want independence can they go too? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #48

Puerto Rico isn't a state...it's a colony. That's what "commonwealth" status means Ken Burch Nov 2012 #51

You ducked the question. Try again to answer what I asked. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #53

A distinction could be made in this case, and here's why: Ken Burch Nov 2012 #78

In what way does a territory differ from a commonwealth or colony? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #92

sure why not navarth Nov 2012 #5

It's not about forcing them at all...they just VOTED for a pro-statehood party. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #7

no disagreement here navarth Nov 2012 #49

Actually, the pro Statehood party (Republicans) calico1 Nov 2012 #66

I stand corrected on the party thing, but statehood itself won. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #74

It's complicated. calico1 Nov 2012 #84

The corruption thing explains a lot. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #87

Yeah, me too. calico1 Nov 2012 #89

In some cases it's thinly veiled anti-Hispanic bigotry Ken Burch Nov 2012 #90

One of the reasons I took a break from this forum was calico1 Nov 2012 #91

They voted for it, so Congress should consider it DJ13 Nov 2012 #11

They will have to start pay fed taxes. Cayenne Nov 2012 #86

"They now say they want statehood.." jberryhill Nov 2012 #12

Why do you describe that as a FORCED choice? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #15

I don't think you understand the concept of "forced choice" in polling jberryhill Nov 2012 #19

Point of clarification...what is a "sovereign relationship"? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #22

You didn't read the ballot, did you? jberryhill Nov 2012 #23

OK...I hadn't read the ballot...but you hadn't linked to it, either. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #24

You started your OP with "they said they wanted statehood" jberryhill Nov 2012 #25

Sovereign status would be worse than what Native Americans get. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #26

Can you define what you mean by "self determination"? jberryhill Nov 2012 #28

Nobody voluntarily chooses a colonial status quo as their act of self-determination. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #32

46% of Puerto Ricans chose that on the first ballot option jberryhill Nov 2012 #36

You're trying to discredit the choice they DID make Ken Burch Nov 2012 #38

Fine, their votes weren't valid jberryhill Nov 2012 #47

They got rid of the governor because he was allied with the GOP Ken Burch Nov 2012 #50

People of Hong Kong probably would have chosen to remain a colony AngryAmish Nov 2012 #62

That would be a valid comparison Ken Burch Nov 2012 #75

absolutely. montanto Nov 2012 #13

Yes, I support self determination for PR. HappyMe Nov 2012 #16

I support statehood for Puerto Rico. RebelOne Nov 2012 #17

I think it is in Puerto Rico's best interest to SDjack Nov 2012 #18

The referendum should offer the choices of statehood or independence Ken Burch Nov 2012 #20

"There's no reason the status quo should be on there" jberryhill Nov 2012 #27

Because it isn't what Puerto Ricans want. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #31

Well, since you know what they want, we can skip to the end, no? jberryhill Nov 2012 #37

53% said they wanted change overall-we can't assume those in the 46% truly wanted the status quo. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #39

Wow... jberryhill Nov 2012 #41

You sound like you're convinced that Puerto Ricans want the status quo after all Ken Burch Nov 2012 #42

That's not even what the Huffpo article said jberryhill Nov 2012 #43

It was up to them and they chose. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #45

People that care about the design of polls.... jberryhill Nov 2012 #46

"Because it isn't what Puerto Ricans want." calico1 Nov 2012 #59

Actually, a LOT of people are very happy with the status quo calico1 Nov 2012 #58

Which makes no sense, since Commonwealth status is right-wing and exploitative Ken Burch Nov 2012 #73

Not really. calico1 Nov 2012 #85

! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #29

If we make them a state then in ten years lalalu Nov 2012 #30

Perhaps they need the statehood-to-independence sequence. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #33

Can other states choose independence? N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #55

Puerto Rico is not a state. lalalu Nov 2012 #56

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #61

OK lalalu Nov 2012 #64

They don't want to join the secession fad ? n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #34

At this point, they have nothing to secede from. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #44

Sure. Swap one of the seccssionist states and we won't have to change the flag. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #35

I support self determination for Puerto Rico Flashmann Nov 2012 #40

I support self-determination for PR. bluedigger Nov 2012 #52

K&R for PR! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #54

Okay, my sister lives there and this is what she told me: calico1 Nov 2012 #57

I think the US should be out of Puerto Rico AngryAmish Nov 2012 #60

Wow... calico1 Nov 2012 #63

I would also support independence for Puerto Rico if the people backed that. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #77

Not sure what you mean. calico1 Nov 2012 #83

I misinterpreted what you said above. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #88

After Occupying Them For Over A Century We Have A Moral Obligation To Them/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #65

Thank you. n/t calico1 Nov 2012 #67

What exactly is that moral obligation? AngryAmish Nov 2012 #68

Last Time I Looked Pennsylvania Wasn't War Booty Like Puerto Rico DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #69

Where do you get the idea that Puerto Rico is not self-sufficient? AngryAmish Nov 2012 #70

Well, Maybe Because Like A Lot Of States They Get More From DC Than They Give DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #71

"War Booty" jberryhill Nov 2012 #72

I support Statehood. Especially since right wing, red state yarblockos are massively overrepresented Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #76

I'll not only post, I'll recommend it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #79

Republicans will limit it to what is good for republicans based on race....nt Evasporque Nov 2012 #80

I support Self Determination for Puerto Rico. I wonder what the threshold should be for change stevenleser Nov 2012 #81

Let the people of PR decide if they want statehood or independence or the status quo. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #82

I support whatever the people of PR want to do Prophet 451 Nov 2012 #93

I support their right to self-determination. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #94