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10. Everyone on DU should hear this Thom Hartmann piece on the subject:

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79 million boomer$ turning 65, 170 million by 2030 leftstreet Nov 2012 #1

170 million what by 2030? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #3

170 million people leftstreet Nov 2012 #8

170 million total people collecting Medicare by 2030? Half the population? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #12

It's a projection, just like pop increase numbers n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #19

I'm not buying it... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #21

In millions: 48 currently, add 78 boomers, add 12 disabled leftstreet Nov 2012 #35

75 million boomers born between 1946 and 1964 Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #36

Either way leftstreet Nov 2012 #44

THe silly thing is they just aren't patient...WE CAN'T TAKE IT WITH US! HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #4

the people telling you it is a problem; told you it went bankrupt in 1998 Johonny Nov 2012 #2

I thought it was 1995 Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #58

I chose other because while Social Security is fine it could be much better with one small change Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #5

They would then get much higher Social Security checks upon retirement, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #6

Even so having more money flow through the Social Security system would strengthen the program Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #7

they already get benefits like anyone else who pays in and are taxed on them because HiPointDem Nov 2012 #46

Social Security is already welfare and it always has been welfare Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #49

bullshit. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

It is wefare, it falls under the general welfare clause of the Constitution Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #52

that's not what welfare means in the common tongue. and you know it. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #53

I am using the word correctly, it is the right-wing frame that is incorrect Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #54

nope. the general "welfare" doesn't = a "welfare program". "welfare" has HiPointDem Nov 2012 #55

Read the definition I posted again, it is much more broad than AFDC and TANF Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #56

They don't. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #22

As a percentage of their income yes they do. Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #23

Everyone pays the same percentage.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #24

Because there is a cap on contributions, "Everyone" DOES NOT pay "the same percentage." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #30

What part of 'percentage' do you not understand? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #32

Are you pretending to not know what you obviously do know? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #38

You are forgetting that there is also a cap on BENEFITS.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #40

First, an insincere pretense at ignorance. Now, a red herring. You can do better than that. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #41

A red herring? Really? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #42

Yes, a red herring. Let me explain: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #43

Yes I know a non sequitur when I see one...I was simply taking the discussion to the next step.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #45

There are numerous Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #25

Amen! JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #33

And what about 2naSalit Nov 2012 #37

It would be risky to remove the incentive for the rich to stick with social security. yardwork Nov 2012 #57

Social Security isn't a problem. Hatchling Nov 2012 #9

Kudos for getting to the core of this issue. Big Blue Marble Nov 2012 #26

"Why don't more people get the ruse?" In part, it's due to the MSM failure to explain this. It can AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #31

Everyone on DU should hear this Thom Hartmann piece on the subject: Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #10

SS is only a problem if we keep cutting the payroll taxes... kentuck Nov 2012 #11

Its bullshit. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #13

It is a scam and it is Wallstreets plan lovuian Nov 2012 #14

Yep. That's all this is. reformist2 Nov 2012 #18

The only "problem" with SS... 99Forever Nov 2012 #15

Wall Street wants their hands on it, so they can siphon off 1% per year in "management fees"... reformist2 Nov 2012 #16

It's a scam being foisted upon us by Corporate Dems... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #17

Currently a steaming pile. I might become a real problem if we don't change the economic Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #20

Exactly Where is our $ & What is it being used for? fredamae Nov 2012 #27

The Social Security funds are being used to finance the military-industial complex. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #47

I voted other as I do think some improvements can be done. Kaleva Nov 2012 #28

The key is put people back to work and the entitlement programs INdemo Nov 2012 #29

Right now, truth in DU Politics Forum: Rep. Alan Grayson: "This is An Artificial Crisis, to Zorra Nov 2012 #34

Yet another, woo me with science Nov 2012 #39

12.4% ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #48

Actually Bernie Sanders addressed just this today on the Thom Hartmann show. Cleita Nov 2012 #51