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karynnj

(59,494 posts)
112. Actually, it isn't obvious
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:10 PM
Nov 2012

What he did was defend a woman working for him who did nothing wrong. It is clear he was defending her reputation. At the same time, he said that the decision was not yet made - which may or may not be completely true.

Assume for a moment that he was picking someone else, what would he then say? It would seem to me that he would say precisely what he did. In addition, he would in that case be happy that he had this opportunity.

As to the comment on Senator was good enough - I don't think you felt that was the case for Hillary Clinton after she failed to get the nomination. It was seen as she was "owed" something. In the case of Kerry, no one is saying that he should get this because of all he did for Obama, but rather because he is extraordinarily qualified for the job and has won praise for his diplomatic skills and the his incredible patience working with difficult leaders. Republicans, like Lugar and Corker, have regularly praised the way he has chaired the SFRC. In addition, even the Senators, like McCain and Graham, who voted against the START treaty were full of praise for Kerry's work in the committee and on the Senate floor.

I like Rice and think she is a good choice, but I think Kerry is an exceptional person, who could be a genuinely exceptional SOS. As to whether he deserves it, I think he has been more loyal to Democratic Presidents and nominees than any other person I can think of -- even when it was not to his self interest. (This was especially true when he, a genuine war hero, defended Clinton's patriotism in the wake of the problems Clinton had on his actions to avoid Vietnam. )

I doubt they would run Scott Brown loyalsister Nov 2012 #1
I think you are badly underestimating Scott Brown's popularity jsmirman Nov 2012 #3
Why is that, do you think? yardwork Nov 2012 #40
The poster is right. I live in Massachusetts and don't like Brown. But he has a base of 1 million bluestate10 Nov 2012 #49
I live in MA too, this was a close race. It shouldn't have been, but it was. I agree with you. mother earth Nov 2012 #99
53 - 46 is not a close race. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #131
No, the outcome was great, but despite all the BS from Brown & his never addressing real mother earth Nov 2012 #139
I understand, but I think a strong candidate will do fine. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #141
Was Coakley aloof? That win gave the rethugs in the Senate enough of a majority to mother earth Nov 2012 #142
she refused all advice to get out and work for it. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #144
Sure was a "lucky" win for the GOP. nt mother earth Nov 2012 #145
He sure is. Brown got over 1.2 million votes and almost a million when he beat Coakley. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #47
They don't have anyone else ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #4
Not only will he run, he will win. chelsea0011 Nov 2012 #8
If not for senate, then at least for governor. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #14
Oh Please NO! sheshe2 Nov 2012 #28
A special appointment from the Governor's seat make more sense. Tim Murray, a very good bluestate10 Nov 2012 #51
Oh yes they would- he is not unliked here. Marrah_G Nov 2012 #30
Brown has proven an ability to win a statewide election, has an organization, and can raise money. hughee99 Nov 2012 #42
He's planning to run if the seat is open NotThisTime Nov 2012 #92
I don't think the Suprememe Court issue has gone away. n/t left on green only Nov 2012 #136
I doubt Team Obama would create that risk without a contingency plan CakeGrrl Nov 2012 #2
Why? They handed the AZ governorship to the right-wing... David__77 Nov 2012 #6
I tend to agree, they pulled a few governors davidpdx Nov 2012 #7
And Arizona has been hell ever since... nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #79
+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #100
The naked guy just LOST, acted like an IDIOT, and MIKE CAPUANO could BEAT him. RBInMaine Nov 2012 #5
Capuano seems content where he is. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #15
He couldn't win a primary chelsea0011 Nov 2012 #19
Didn't Capuano run against him before and didn't even rate in that election airc? I love Capuano sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #41
Couldn't the Dem legislature just change the rule back so the GOV could appoint someone? nt aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #9
Kerry is a good man, but he is needed in the Senate. Agree: bury Scott Brown. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #10
We need another show-stopper candidate to run for Senate rox63 Nov 2012 #11
Capuano ran in the 2010 Senate race already and no one even remembers apparently. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2012 #84
I voted for Capuano as well rox63 Nov 2012 #89
I like the young Kennedy in two years if he shines in the US House. He would be unbeatable bluestate10 Nov 2012 #53
I think Joe Kennedy III needs a bit more experience than 2 years before running for the Senate rox63 Nov 2012 #90
... politicasista Nov 2012 #98
I wonder if the electoriate of Massachusettse likes Rachel Maddow as much as they do Scott Brown? left on green only Nov 2012 #137
IMHO... ReRe Nov 2012 #12
You don't live here. I do. We have only one person that could beat Brown, maybe, right now. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #69
Yeah, I don't live there. ReRe Nov 2012 #74
Brown will definitely run; however, don't forget Bill Weld moved back to MA Justice Nov 2012 #13
Weld would lose to a number of democrats. Scott Brown may be can be beaten only by Patrick. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #54
Unless Deval Patrick will run for Senate, I have no desire to appoint Kerry to the cabinet OmahaBlueDog Nov 2012 #16
I agree with Lugar jsmirman Nov 2012 #22
Brown has a base of 1 million votes. Even Patrick would struggle to beat Brown right now. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #56
Maybe, but putting politics above country isn't where we want to be. If Kerry's the best man ... Scuba Nov 2012 #17
Yes, in a perfect world. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #57
I'm not in this to beat the Republicans. I'm in it to make America great. Scuba Nov 2012 #71
Yeah, but they're in it to beat us, America be damned. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #75
The SOS will speak for the president, not himself. julian09 Nov 2012 #77
If we care about the country, woo me with science Nov 2012 #85
I dont know if Kerry will leave, but we can beat Brown. Mass Nov 2012 #18
who can beat Brown other than Patrick? WHO other than Patrick? I live in Massachusetts too. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #58
What do you mean he has lost you? democrattotheend Nov 2012 #80
He "lost you" if he appoints the best man for the job? MessiahRp Nov 2012 #82
+1 politicasista Nov 2012 #116
Wow, the fear of Scott Brown is strong. ProSense Nov 2012 #20
Warren was ultimately perceived by the Massachusetts electorate as a GREAT candidate jsmirman Nov 2012 #21
What are you going to do if Kerry doesn't run in 2014? ProSense Nov 2012 #23
I'd certainly prefer the seat be up in a normal reelection rather than a special one jsmirman Nov 2012 #34
Good point - Kerry might retire democrattotheend Nov 2012 #24
Warren is a special candidate, she won by less than 200,000 votes. Look, I am sorry for this after bluestate10 Nov 2012 #59
Wait, ProSense Nov 2012 #61
Two reasons. First, Massachusetts Democrats are tired. Second, we will have a deeper bench in 2014 bluestate10 Nov 2012 #67
Truth never gets in the way of Kerry bashing n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #96
+ 1000 protect our future Nov 2012 #124
... politicasista Nov 2012 #130
You don't care. You have a dislike of Kerry n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #97
Warren could always beat Brown. She was a great candidate... Little Star Nov 2012 #117
ProSense is right politicasista Nov 2012 #118
I think you are misunderstanding. Kerry is a great senator and we love having him... Little Star Nov 2012 #121
No. politicasista Nov 2012 #123
Democrats wet their pants when they have majorities leftstreet Nov 2012 #25
The legislature can change the law and make it an appointment by the governor again. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #26
Vicki Kennedy for Kerry's seat? Old and In the Way Nov 2012 #27
As a fellow person from MA- I have to agree Marrah_G Nov 2012 #29
And I'm just a New Yorker/DC person who pitched in bec. I love Elizabeth jsmirman Nov 2012 #35
And there is a truth out there that non-locals might not understand Marrah_G Nov 2012 #37
I am from Massachusetts too. I agree. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #60
"If the President MAKES us..." What the hell is THAT? He just wants a GOOD Sec. of Def. Kerry RBInMaine Nov 2012 #86
+1 sarcasmo Nov 2012 #66
Depends on who he runs against. edbermac Nov 2012 #31
Brown lost because he took stands that were very unpopular... Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #32
No offense, but I take the word of the DUers on the ground in Massachusetts. They are worried stevenleser Nov 2012 #52
I think that the decision should be left to Obama and Kerry... Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #72
It's not inevitable, but if we keep giving this man shots at Senate seats he's going Arkana Nov 2012 #33
Not necessarily. How many shots has mitt had at the White House? Sometimes Cha Nov 2012 #50
Mitt is no Scott Brown. Brown is well liked in MA... Little Star Nov 2012 #119
Right.. it still doesn't mean that just because brown keeps trying Cha Nov 2012 #120
Cha, do you live in MA? And who do you suggest as a... Little Star Nov 2012 #122
No, I don't live in Mass..just been following the campaign through my cyber Cha Nov 2012 #133
I think the young Kennedy just elected to the House can beat anyone if he proves his worth bluestate10 Nov 2012 #62
James Webb would be a better choice than John Kerry. DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #36
Or Wesley Clark. The President seems to have a problem with not being able to trust someone that is bluestate10 Nov 2012 #63
Bring Back Barney Frank ! RagAss Nov 2012 #38
Barney retired because he wasn't going to win his own redesigned district, hughee99 Nov 2012 #39
Aren't there any Kennedys around? RagAss Nov 2012 #43
Yes. One just got elected to the US House. But he is at least two years away from a Senate run. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #64
I just can't believe the President could be that insensitive to faithful Massachusetts democrats. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #44
What bullshit! ProSense Nov 2012 #46
I live in Massachusetts, you don't. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #65
You're right about that, and ProSense Nov 2012 #73
Exactly. Playing Chicken Little about Kerry's seat means you're disloyal to the party. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #83
This is out of your mind stuff jsmirman Nov 2012 #93
Well thank god you, and maybe the one other person posting in this thread, MessiahRp Nov 2012 #94
lol politicasista Nov 2012 #125
Sounds like there is more to this politicasista Nov 2012 #111
He took our Democratic (and popular) governor from Kansas proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #48
And had she stayed, she might have had a real shot at a Senate seat OmahaBlueDog Nov 2012 #68
Her successor was bad and then Brownback swooped in proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #70
"He took"???? No, SHE ACCEPTED. She didn't have to. Sheesh. Are you not honored at all? RBInMaine Nov 2012 #87
Not really proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #91
"republicans will target that open seat with all the money and fury they can muster." WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #55
I agree that Wes Clark would make a great candidate for SOD.... Little Star Nov 2012 #107
Only if we run another Martha Coakley like candidate to fill Kerry's seat LynneSin Nov 2012 #76
The tidal wave of DUers who are terrified protect our future Nov 2012 #78
+1 n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #81
Gee, what WEAK-KNEED surrenduring before the fact this is. SHAMEFUL ! SHEESH ! RBInMaine Nov 2012 #88
I don't believe we'll lose the seat just because Brown is there. We have a deep bench of candidates craigmatic Nov 2012 #95
why post tripe, then back off of it in your first sentence? MjolnirTime Nov 2012 #101
The other nightmares we might have to face are Sean Bielat or Richard Tisei. n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #102
Scott Brown? dchill Nov 2012 #103
You are sooooo right on every point you make.... Little Star Nov 2012 #104
Ok politicasista Nov 2012 #105
After today's press conference, it is obvious Susan Rice will be the choice graham4anything Nov 2012 #106
Kerry ain't said nothing and Democrats here are berating him anyway politicasista Nov 2012 #108
I am not berating him, I just want him to lead us in the senate. What is wrong with Senator? graham4anything Nov 2012 #110
No you're not, just a few politicasista Nov 2012 #113
Actually, it isn't obvious karynnj Nov 2012 #112
different situation-Dem Gov. picked Hillary's replacement, though the wrong person graham4anything Nov 2012 #115
Hi graham, my friend. protect our future Nov 2012 #129
Yup! graham4anything Nov 2012 #132
Who said Hillary is going to win in 2016? Mr_King Nov 2012 #135
Does Lightening strike twice? FogerRox Nov 2012 #109
McMahon lost 2 Senate races. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #114
Ahhhh, so lightening does strike twice. FogerRox Nov 2012 #134
He'd probably do less damage as governor of MA Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #126
Dems in Mass are tired protect our future Nov 2012 #127
kerry is`t going anywhere.... madrchsod Nov 2012 #128
Nope. He's done. NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #138
This is why they are smearing Susan Rice WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #140
Can I make a suggestion? Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #143
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