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jberryhill

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12. "They now say they want statehood.."

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:17 PM

Nov 2012

Did you look at that ballot?

A slim majority wanted some form of change - 53%

That was one question.

The second question was a forced choice of three options, of which 65% chose statehood.

What's 65% of 53%?

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Post here if you support self-determination for Puerto Rico [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2012 OP

Whatever the folks decide BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #1

I support self determination for Puerto Rico Xipe Totec Nov 2012 #2

I agree... AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #21

I do, but having known some Puerto Ricans in my life I wonder how Cleita Nov 2012 #3

Multi-member districts elected by pr would help in that regard. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #6

I don't think so as long as they are kept honest Cleita Nov 2012 #8

Well, what we have now is corruption and gridlock anyway. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #10

I agree and I think you hit on the solution. Cleita Nov 2012 #14

I would support independence if they had voted for it as well. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #4

As would I. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #9

If other states already in the Union decide they want independence can they go too? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #48

Puerto Rico isn't a state...it's a colony. That's what "commonwealth" status means Ken Burch Nov 2012 #51

You ducked the question. Try again to answer what I asked. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #53

A distinction could be made in this case, and here's why: Ken Burch Nov 2012 #78

In what way does a territory differ from a commonwealth or colony? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #92

sure why not navarth Nov 2012 #5

It's not about forcing them at all...they just VOTED for a pro-statehood party. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #7

no disagreement here navarth Nov 2012 #49

Actually, the pro Statehood party (Republicans) calico1 Nov 2012 #66

I stand corrected on the party thing, but statehood itself won. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #74

It's complicated. calico1 Nov 2012 #84

The corruption thing explains a lot. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #87

Yeah, me too. calico1 Nov 2012 #89

In some cases it's thinly veiled anti-Hispanic bigotry Ken Burch Nov 2012 #90

One of the reasons I took a break from this forum was calico1 Nov 2012 #91

They voted for it, so Congress should consider it DJ13 Nov 2012 #11

They will have to start pay fed taxes. Cayenne Nov 2012 #86

"They now say they want statehood.." jberryhill Nov 2012 #12

Why do you describe that as a FORCED choice? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #15

I don't think you understand the concept of "forced choice" in polling jberryhill Nov 2012 #19

Point of clarification...what is a "sovereign relationship"? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #22

You didn't read the ballot, did you? jberryhill Nov 2012 #23

OK...I hadn't read the ballot...but you hadn't linked to it, either. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #24

You started your OP with "they said they wanted statehood" jberryhill Nov 2012 #25

Sovereign status would be worse than what Native Americans get. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #26

Can you define what you mean by "self determination"? jberryhill Nov 2012 #28

Nobody voluntarily chooses a colonial status quo as their act of self-determination. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #32

46% of Puerto Ricans chose that on the first ballot option jberryhill Nov 2012 #36

You're trying to discredit the choice they DID make Ken Burch Nov 2012 #38

Fine, their votes weren't valid jberryhill Nov 2012 #47

They got rid of the governor because he was allied with the GOP Ken Burch Nov 2012 #50

People of Hong Kong probably would have chosen to remain a colony AngryAmish Nov 2012 #62

That would be a valid comparison Ken Burch Nov 2012 #75

absolutely. montanto Nov 2012 #13

Yes, I support self determination for PR. HappyMe Nov 2012 #16

I support statehood for Puerto Rico. RebelOne Nov 2012 #17

I think it is in Puerto Rico's best interest to SDjack Nov 2012 #18

The referendum should offer the choices of statehood or independence Ken Burch Nov 2012 #20

"There's no reason the status quo should be on there" jberryhill Nov 2012 #27

Because it isn't what Puerto Ricans want. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #31

Well, since you know what they want, we can skip to the end, no? jberryhill Nov 2012 #37

53% said they wanted change overall-we can't assume those in the 46% truly wanted the status quo. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #39

Wow... jberryhill Nov 2012 #41

You sound like you're convinced that Puerto Ricans want the status quo after all Ken Burch Nov 2012 #42

That's not even what the Huffpo article said jberryhill Nov 2012 #43

It was up to them and they chose. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #45

People that care about the design of polls.... jberryhill Nov 2012 #46

"Because it isn't what Puerto Ricans want." calico1 Nov 2012 #59

Actually, a LOT of people are very happy with the status quo calico1 Nov 2012 #58

Which makes no sense, since Commonwealth status is right-wing and exploitative Ken Burch Nov 2012 #73

Not really. calico1 Nov 2012 #85

! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #29

If we make them a state then in ten years lalalu Nov 2012 #30

Perhaps they need the statehood-to-independence sequence. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #33

Can other states choose independence? N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #55

Puerto Rico is not a state. lalalu Nov 2012 #56

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #61

OK lalalu Nov 2012 #64

They don't want to join the secession fad ? n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #34

At this point, they have nothing to secede from. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #44

Sure. Swap one of the seccssionist states and we won't have to change the flag. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #35

I support self determination for Puerto Rico Flashmann Nov 2012 #40

I support self-determination for PR. bluedigger Nov 2012 #52

K&R for PR! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #54

Okay, my sister lives there and this is what she told me: calico1 Nov 2012 #57

I think the US should be out of Puerto Rico AngryAmish Nov 2012 #60

Wow... calico1 Nov 2012 #63

I would also support independence for Puerto Rico if the people backed that. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #77

Not sure what you mean. calico1 Nov 2012 #83

I misinterpreted what you said above. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #88

After Occupying Them For Over A Century We Have A Moral Obligation To Them/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #65

Thank you. n/t calico1 Nov 2012 #67

What exactly is that moral obligation? AngryAmish Nov 2012 #68

Last Time I Looked Pennsylvania Wasn't War Booty Like Puerto Rico DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #69

Where do you get the idea that Puerto Rico is not self-sufficient? AngryAmish Nov 2012 #70

Well, Maybe Because Like A Lot Of States They Get More From DC Than They Give DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #71

"War Booty" jberryhill Nov 2012 #72

I support Statehood. Especially since right wing, red state yarblockos are massively overrepresented Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #76

I'll not only post, I'll recommend it. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #79

Republicans will limit it to what is good for republicans based on race....nt Evasporque Nov 2012 #80

I support Self Determination for Puerto Rico. I wonder what the threshold should be for change stevenleser Nov 2012 #81

Let the people of PR decide if they want statehood or independence or the status quo. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #82

I support whatever the people of PR want to do Prophet 451 Nov 2012 #93

I support their right to self-determination. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #94