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Neither did I. nt Mnemosyne Nov 2012 #1
Kicking patrice Nov 2012 #2
This purist agrees! forestpath Nov 2012 #3
Kick - eom fleur-de-lisa Nov 2012 #4
I agree. I voted to kick the assholes to the curb. Atman Nov 2012 #5
+100000000 RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #61
I agree. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #6
Two things I didn't vote for: 1) Grand Bargains; 2) expanded ME wars. leveymg Nov 2012 #7
3 things that I didn't vote for: 1) Grand Bargains; 2) expanded ME wars; 3) more "free-trade" AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #184
It will be interesting to see how forgiving this board is should plethoro Nov 2012 #8
Nope. And I don't think Medicare for All is a unicorn. Scuba Nov 2012 #9
Nor do most Americans. dotymed Nov 2012 #32
damn purist who doesn't understand how government works quinnox Nov 2012 #10
"Did I cover all the lame and pathetic talking points?" Respectfully, I think that you overlooked AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #45
+1 haikugal Nov 2012 #49
Firstly, my vote had nothing to do with 'entitlements'. BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #11
+1 ProfessorGAC Nov 2012 #23
What, exactly, is wrong with the term "Entitlement?" Atman Nov 2012 #24
asdf BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #25
That appears totally backward to me. Atman Nov 2012 #51
I meant no snottiness. BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #59
First, it's time we quit worrying about the RW noise machine. Dawgs Nov 2012 #73
That includes letting them define the terms used kenfrequed Nov 2012 #91
The only reason it sounds 'iffy' is because you've listened to too many republicans. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #147
No kenfrequed Nov 2012 #183
no, when you say someone is entitled to something it means they're entitled to it. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #187
Yeah kenfrequed Nov 2012 #188
I'm not worried about the RW noise machine. I'm worried about the 3rd-wayers. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #181
A fair concern kenfrequed Nov 2012 #182
Then you voted for bad economics cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #28
People need to hear that. PETRUS Nov 2012 #36
I am not an economist, but from what I know about MMT, it sounds flaky cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #38
Thanks. PETRUS Nov 2012 #46
My impression is that cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #47
Ah PETRUS Nov 2012 #52
That sounds right to me, and compatible with Keynes cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #58
As I said: BouzoukiKing Nov 2012 #55
Argh! You and I agree far more than we disagree, but this meme drive me fucking crazy. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #89
No, C'mon man... That is barely even a word game cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #93
No, it isn't. Treasury bonds are the only mechanism that exists to create new money, period. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #96
I don't want to be disagreeable, but this is wrong cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #99
Being disagreeable is just fine, it's what makes this board worth coming to. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #103
Another option PETRUS Nov 2012 #95
That is correct, and you're also right that this is not the place for that discussion. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #97
If there are no loans, and no one is borrowing any money, then to whom are Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #177
We are redeeming bonds previously sold, mostly through the issuance of new bonds and Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #180
Bonds are loans. Period. Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #185
Derp de derp. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #186
Sadly, I don't believe there was an option on the ballot NorthCarolina Nov 2012 #12
I'm amazed that anyone coming off this nasty election cycle desires to find common Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #13
Wow! FredStembottom Nov 2012 #60
Absolutely true! For years, I've been at war with that pseudo-reasonable truism, Raksha Nov 2012 #146
k&r appal_jack Nov 2012 #14
This^^ txdemsftw Nov 2012 #42
K&R. We already got a study in "bargains" during O's first term. D23MIURG23 Nov 2012 #15
well, that's why I thought it important to discuss before the election here and elsewhere stupidicus Nov 2012 #16
I just went away. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #63
indeed stupidicus Nov 2012 #111
Well, they seem as rigidly intractable as any people I have ever encountered. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #135
Bill Black calls it the "Grand Betrayal". nt tsuki Nov 2012 #17
I'm stealing that quinnox Nov 2012 #18
I still think the President is willing to raise the Medicare age to 67. dawg Nov 2012 #19
Raising the Medicare eligibility ag= mass murder on a scale never even conceived by Al Qaida eridani Nov 2012 #122
I was just thinking, I'll be dead before then. gateley Nov 2012 #136
I totally agree with you. dawg Nov 2012 #141
If ACA is used as a excuse for eliminating Medicare, it is toast. Period eridani Nov 2012 #145
I have already seen Christina Romer using the ACA for exactly that purpose. dawg Nov 2012 #151
I voted for good governance bhikkhu Nov 2012 #20
+1 n/t ChazII Nov 2012 #133
Oh Gawd. Are Dems going to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory? SunSeeker Nov 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PETRUS Nov 2012 #22
Sorry, but we're all about compromise now. JoeyT Nov 2012 #26
K&R Myrina Nov 2012 #27
Uh huh, even before the elections remember the 716 million Iliyah Nov 2012 #29
I am not saying Obama is a bad guy. I am saying the time to say this is BEFORE cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #31
You say "I think Pres O and crew will protect Medicare, et al, as well as SSI." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #39
Then write your President, Representative, and Senators. I had no illusions. I voted for the still_one Nov 2012 #30
+1....fully expect to be somewhat disappointed but the alternative was to hideous to ponder. yourout Nov 2012 #104
Absolutely. still_one Nov 2012 #105
I did not vote for a "Grand Bargain" nor did I vote for another "Free-Trade" agreement AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #33
+1 There's no such thing as enough, only more. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #170
+1 Union Scribe Nov 2012 #175
I didn't either. Still doesnt mean we are going to get the votes in the House for what we want. stevenleser Nov 2012 #34
I voted to keep the Dems in the Majority and they better act like it and NOT talk with rePUKES!!! underoath Nov 2012 #35
Perhaps you didn't, but... brooklynite Nov 2012 #37
But entitlements shouldn't be part of it cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #44
It is being used as a pretext to do just that. haikugal Nov 2012 #62
"Fiscal Cliff" kenfrequed Nov 2012 #92
There is no cliff, this is just another another cap resolution dressed u pto scare people that don't Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #172
Obama's Grand Bargain could end up being Obama's Grand Destruction fasttense Nov 2012 #40
Gen X will be able to do pay as you go. Gen Y is another demographic lump like baby boomers eridani Nov 2012 #130
Amen. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #41
K&R tosh Nov 2012 #43
Kick! grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #48
Ditto! nt avebury Nov 2012 #50
rec. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #53
I must have missed it...on MY ballot were Romney, Obama, and 2 or 3 minor candidates.... George II Nov 2012 #54
There is not going to be a "Grand Bargain" emulatorloo Nov 2012 #56
According to third way position papers it is largely a done deal Dragonfli Nov 2012 #74
Nor did I. hifiguy Nov 2012 #57
My vote was to keep Romney from burning this country to the ground. President can do whatever he AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #64
I don't think there would have been as many republicans voted into congress in 2010... rwsanders Nov 2012 #65
I did not vote for a grand capitulation either. lark Nov 2012 #66
Nor Did I !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #67
K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #68
Hear hear. woo me with science Nov 2012 #69
I tried to vote against it. tblue Nov 2012 #70
better not happen southmost Nov 2012 #71
hear hear! and your 'note' shouldn't be necessary, yet sadly is to stop any negative comments back Divine Discontent Nov 2012 #72
But you voted for a guy that you knew would seek such a bargain michigandem58 Nov 2012 #75
A deficit reduction deal, yes. A 'grand bargain' involving entitlements, no. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #80
I don't think his rhetoric has changed dramatically michigandem58 Nov 2012 #108
Neither did I Carolina Nov 2012 #76
Nor did our household. avaistheone1 Nov 2012 #77
You only vote for people to hold offices treestar Nov 2012 #78
And then, as the 1st Amendment provides, you tell them what you were voting for cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #82
60 million people voted for the President treestar Nov 2012 #142
Grand Bargain grammiepammie Nov 2012 #79
Here in America... cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #84
K & R dchill Nov 2012 #81
Yeah, let's all start freaking out over hypotheticals Jersey Devil Nov 2012 #83
Your world would be nothing but ashes cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #85
I also don't look for bogeymen under my bed Jersey Devil Nov 2012 #86
I miss unrec krawhitham Nov 2012 #87
K & R n/t glinda Nov 2012 #88
You're nothing but a troll. Just the other day, Obama MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #90
Neither did I Liberalynn Nov 2012 #94
I did not vote for the grand bargain Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #98
What is actually being said? ballaratocker Nov 2012 #100
You have a point but humbled_opinion Nov 2012 #101
Absolutely agreed. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #102
The people elected a Democratic President and a Republican Congress. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #106
Then let them bargain with the Military Budget which is destroying this country sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #107
"It is up to Dems to stop them, period." woo me with science Nov 2012 #112
But they VOTED for a Democratic Congress. cui bono Nov 2012 #114
They gerrymandering is horrible, and both sides have engaged in it. Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #120
Amen to that cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #144
Btw, the people did not elect a Republican Congress. That is Republican math you're sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #125
I believe this to be true SCALA13 Nov 2012 #143
kick Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #109
Obama should punt this to the next Congress where Dems are a bit stronger. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #110
Nor did I. cui bono Nov 2012 #113
I am a conservative Democrat TM99 Nov 2012 #115
We voted for NO CUTS to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. NO CUTS. Overseas Nov 2012 #116
I'm not sure agent46 Nov 2012 #117
You're not sure "why anybody might believe that Obama will suddenly go left"? The answer, I suggest AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #124
That's because agent46 Nov 2012 #127
I agree with your second part, but the first part gives me a reason to pause. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #129
I pushed mysellf to vote for Obama again & my worry was because of the "Grand Bargain" he might do. KoKo Nov 2012 #118
I did, sort of democrattotheend Nov 2012 #119
That is right wing talking point horseshit--that same damned garbage that I first heard in college-- eridani Nov 2012 #131
K & R! lonestarnot Nov 2012 #121
You voted for a representative to make decisions for you. randome Nov 2012 #123
Unfortunately we probably will argiel1234 Nov 2012 #126
No matter agent46 Nov 2012 #128
The President campaigned on reaching a debt reduction deal BainsBane Nov 2012 #132
Let the tax cuts expire and the ill advised sequester the same folks cheered kick in. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #137
How does it help for everyone's taxes to go up? BainsBane Nov 2012 #138
Debt reduction. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #148
Not true BainsBane Nov 2012 #155
We are talking about Bush's tax cut rudycantfail Nov 2012 #156
The fiscal cliff includes many taxes BainsBane Nov 2012 #157
Let the so-called fiscal cliff, a boogyman created by both parties, happen. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #161
Such a bill has already been passed by the senate BainsBane Nov 2012 #162
Please stop with the cliff, cliff, cliff, off the cliff nonsense. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #165
I think that is the likely result BainsBane Nov 2012 #171
Ending the payroll tax holiday rudycantfail Nov 2012 #149
It is estimated that ending that holiday BainsBane Nov 2012 #154
Sell that Kudlow CNBC shit somewhere else. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #158
It isn't Kudlow shit BainsBane Nov 2012 #159
"It is demand-side economics" rudycantfail Nov 2012 #164
NO BainsBane Nov 2012 #168
That is not supply-side, it is basic Keynes cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #178
How can you possibly think Kudlow and his type give a damn about payroll taxes? BainsBane Nov 2012 #160
Coupling SS with the debt via payroll tax holiday rudycantfail Nov 2012 #163
The payroll tax holiday is Obama's BainsBane Nov 2012 #173
Congress can introduce a bill in January theaocp Nov 2012 #150
Helps more than robbing my Social Security and adding years of desperate prayer TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #167
100% End of story. Fearless Nov 2012 #134
"the deficit is largely a product of low economic growth" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #139
NO GRAND BARGAIN! mother earth Nov 2012 #140
THUMBS UP quantass Nov 2012 #152
But you are going to get one Puzzledtraveller Nov 2012 #153
Relax...if we can get the GOP to bargain, we might actually get something done Taverner Nov 2012 #166
Bargain with what to get what done? n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #169
But, cat food builds character jsr Nov 2012 #174
No you did not. But America did. davidn3600 Nov 2012 #176
I agree--- we did not nor ever will get rid of all or enough sitting Republicans so compromise Shilo Nov 2012 #179
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