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marmar

(78,164 posts)
Tue Jul 4, 2023, 08:47 AM Jul 2023

"On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: ........ [View all]


....... its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism—that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder—one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?

These ways of thinking—cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on— have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica and many more). But in a nation like ours—huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction—what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves.

Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.

That self-deception started early. ....."

-- Howard Zinn, from The Progressive, 2006

https://progressive.org/latest/howard-zinn-s-july-4-wisdom-stands-test-time/







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Thank you... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #1
Sounds like a good strategy to lose elections. brooklynite Jul 2023 #2
He seems to conflate patriotism and nationalism. N/T lapucelle Jul 2023 #3
how thick is the line between "patriotism," "nationalism," rampartc Jul 2023 #8
All the more reason not to erase the line, as Zinn seems wont to do. N/T lapucelle Jul 2023 #19
Conservatives call themselves patriots every day. Boomerproud Jul 2023 #10
Patriotism and nationalism are two very different things. lapucelle Jul 2023 #17
YES, the kind of thing that results in the treestar Jul 2023 #24
Truth. Ron Green Jul 2023 #4
Thanks for proving my point... brooklynite Jul 2023 #5
not exactly a real strong winning platform stopdiggin Jul 2023 #11
Post removed Post removed Jul 2023 #22
Agree. sinkingfeeling Jul 2023 #6
Zinn flogged the "Gore is the lesser of two evils" narrative in 2000 when he stumped for Nader. lapucelle Jul 2023 #7
that's the thing about purists and zealots stopdiggin Jul 2023 #14
He was a socialist, and no surprise that he was a naderite. Same ideology of the DSA, JohnSJ Jul 2023 #21
Nah. First year I've felt like flying the flag since tRump era. txwhitedove Jul 2023 #9
A quote attributed to Albert Einstein: lastlib Jul 2023 #12
Yep, but unfortunately it's been imbedded in our genes since we wandered the plains of Africa. paleotn Jul 2023 #18
A losing message if I ever heard one. Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #13
Pt. Duppers Jul 2023 #26
We're exceptional for two things only. paleotn Jul 2023 #15
+1 treestar Jul 2023 #25
Yeah, except that everyone is not born equal. progressoid Jul 2023 #28
Equal before the law paleotn Jul 2023 #36
+100 nt reACTIONary Jul 2023 #32
I think American artistic expressions are worthy of pride misanthrope Jul 2023 #35
-1 Mosby Jul 2023 #16
What a bunch of Bullshit. Howard Zinn, a self-described anarchist and socialist JohnSJ Jul 2023 #20
Agreed. This is nothing more than extremist propaganda. Progressive Lawyer Jul 2023 #23
+100 nt reACTIONary Jul 2023 #30
Plenty of MAGA think Dems are not even American IronLionZion Jul 2023 #27
DURec leftstreet Jul 2023 #29
America, Embodiment of the spirit of... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #31
Agreed. Xavier Breath Jul 2023 #33
K&R Blue Owl Jul 2023 #34
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