I misread your last sentence (Reply #19)

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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:51 AM

Angry Dragon (36,693 posts)

19. I misread your last sentence

You will never change their slur of the word so you have to reframe the debate by changing the words.

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Repeat after me - benefit. Ben-e-fit. Benefit. Social Security is a BENEFIT. [View all]	jillan	Nov 2012	OP
Seriously!	JaneyVee	Nov 2012	#1
PAID BENEFIT, DAMMIT	brush	Nov 2012	#30
The only problem is	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#82
that's solvable JUST raise the cap on taxable income...	ReallyIAmAnOptimist	Nov 2012	#83
That's exactly right. Capital gains too. eom	Blanks	Nov 2012	#85
Yeah, yeah	brush	Nov 2012	#84
You should really stop listening to Republicans about debt	jeff47	Nov 2012	#109
Bernie Sanders	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#114
So you claim it's impossible to get back to the economy of 1999 or 2000?	jeff47	Nov 2012	#115
I think it's highly unlikely	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#126
You're either a boomer with the largest ego I've ever seen, or you're a really poorly informed	jeff47	Nov 2012	#127
Why do my statements about the sheer volume of the numbers sound egotistical?	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#143
I saw a documentary that said just that, guy. The baby boomers caused an economy boon.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#128
Thanks	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#140
It doesn't take immigration to save SS.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#141
Your analysis is correct	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#144
You're wrong. People who have been working over the past several	sabrina 1	Nov 2012	#133
Good to hear from you again, it's been awhile	customerserviceguy	Nov 2012	#145
so you think you are entitled to those benefits?	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#131
Not sure what you mean?	brush	Nov 2012	#134
seems to me that if someboyd is entitled to something	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#135
Entitlement v paid benefit	brush	Nov 2012	#136
a paid benefit sounds like it has already been paid	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#137
Entitled is in the 1935 SS law 9 times	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#103
Actually there is nothing wrong with the word entitlement just means	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#2
Except when the GOP wants the President to cut "entitlement" spending before they will agree to	jillan	Nov 2012	#3
So you really do hate the word	Angry Dragon	Nov 2012	#9
Not sure how you got that out of what I said. No, I don't	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#12
I misread your last sentence	Angry Dragon	Nov 2012	#19
Unfortunately or otherwise ... you are right, we need to change the word.....	meti57b	Nov 2012	#80
How about "refund" or "distribution" or "dividend"	Delmette	Nov 2012	#100
I think they are more open to interpertation than 'insurance'	Angry Dragon	Nov 2012	#101
What is the title of SS?	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#107
"Insurance" usually implies that you'll only get paid	Art_from_Ark	Nov 2012	#130
to repukes, entitlement means "FREE STUFF"	Skittles	Nov 2012	#25
Unless they are the ones getting it.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#27
CORRECT	Skittles	Nov 2012	#31
Just what I was about to say. The Rs need to get a freakin' dictionary. But, face it,	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#37
I think you hit the nail on the head when you added "evil" to "genius"	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#39
But I only consider him evil because what he sells is evil, but not the way he sells it.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#43
Not sure I need to read that since I already know that.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#46
Maybe not, but it's not a progressive book. It is a marketing book based on the idea of the power of	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#54
I'll look in to it based on your recommendation. nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#59
Agreed	Sherman A1	Nov 2012	#58
I agree and I'm sick of the left running away from the word.	PeaceNikki	Nov 2012	#139
Here Here!	Dyedinthewoolliberal	Nov 2012	#4
I agree we need to re-brand, but only because that word has been demonized. If you paid for a pair	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#44
It is an INSURANCE POLICY	Angry Dragon	Nov 2012	#5
Too many syllables for the right wing.	jillan	Nov 2012	#7
Exactly! Not sure what it says now because I am on a state retirement program in Colorado, but when	world wide wally	Nov 2012	#41
Fuck "austerity"! No socialization of government debt! Don't pay for Bush's wars and the bailouts!	Fire Walk With Me	Nov 2012	#6
we paid for it in good faith & we're entitled to it. i don't see how saying 'benefit' makes	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#8
+1 nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#13
I never miss a chance to tell people that SS has close to $3 trillion in bonds, and...	reformist2	Nov 2012	#10
Intragovernmental debt is not the same as external debt. n/t	PoliticAverse	Nov 2012	#34
both are public debt.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#52
I would even better if we admitted it is a WELFARE benefit and got rid of the "insurance" meme	Maplegrass	Nov 2012	#11
Nothing wrong with the word welfare.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#15
Absolutely right.	Maplegrass	Nov 2012	#18
You really do have a point. We all do pay (by way of taxes)	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#29
no, we don't all pay for welfare. welfare, food stamps etc. are paid through the income tax,	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#51
Willing to bet there are relatively few that don't pay income tax ever in their lifetime. nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#53
paying it 'ever in their lifetime' isn't paying for it. and yeah, there's a significant fraction of	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#57
Maybe, your problem is really with thinking people are leeches just because they	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#60
it ain't me throwing the poor under the bus, it's our own ruling class. No, my problem is with	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#63
Seems to me you are throwing them under the bus to protect	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#66
seems to me you are very confused. there is no fucking social contract, seems you don't get it.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#69
Nope, I am suggesting that you stick up for not only what yourself but those	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#70
there is no worker 'less fortunate than me' where social security is concerned. the social contract	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#72
Wow, really? You imagine yourself to be the least fortunate person in existence?	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#75
no, i mean all workers are on an equal footing where SS is concerned. you pay into the system	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#76
Absolutely right	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#105
I confess the first 2 years of my son's life	truedelphi	Nov 2012	#93
Social Security is not a welfare program	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#104
Your comment is excellent.	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#122
I think the Rs have redacted that.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#45
I think they would love to except that it also pertains to the military	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#47
According the them. Their attempts to narrowly define the General Welfare Clause as constrained by	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#50
absolute hogwash. it's not a welfare benefit and it's survived 75 years intact because it's not.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#17
Yeah, because Clinton threw it under the bus due to right-wing pressure.	Maplegrass	Nov 2012	#22
and he was able to do so because the recipients hadn't paid for it, so no one cared.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#23
How do you know they never paid for it? "Welfare" is a safety net program.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#56
Welfare is funded through income taxes. Most workers pay little if any income tax: top 10% of	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#61
Give me a friggen break. I pay quite a bit in income tax and I	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#65
maybe you do. most people don't. i expect to collect on my social security payments, that's	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#67
Most of us will be at their mercy no matter what if we don't come together	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#68
no, you didn't pay in as a child making minimum wage. jesus christ. you got a full refund.	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#71
Nope, I paid income tax and payroll taxes as a part time worker.	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#73
you paid payroll taxes, including social security tax, and didn't get them back. no one gets them	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#74
This message was self-deleted by its author	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#77
why will you 'never be eligble to recieve a penny from it or medicare'...?	BlueMan Votes	Nov 2012	#89
Means-testing is the first step to eliminating it.	jeff47	Nov 2012	#110
Ladies and Gentlemen, Jeff47 has made the most cogent comment in this thread. This is an example	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#117
No, it's an investment we all make. nt	DCKit	Nov 2012	#14
Why not use the word investment for it?	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#106
Sorry, but I think of it as the opposite	TorchTheWitch	Nov 2012	#16
Did you know the word entitled is in the 1935 SS law 9 times?	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#120
doesn't surprise me	TorchTheWitch	Nov 2012	#124
Or... I Am ENTITLED To The Investment I Made Into The Social Security Program	WillyT	Nov 2012	#20
If not, why is Romney entitled to his investment returns? nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#40
It's both	Major Nikon	Nov 2012	#21
NO CUTS to Social Security INSURANCE and Medicare and Medicaid. Until AFTER	Overseas	Nov 2012	#24
Also capital gains tax rates need to be fixed,	daleanime	Nov 2012	#35
Schumer was on tv saying CuTTING SS was "OFF THE TABLE' Harry Reid, THIS WEEK..	Cha	Nov 2012	#26
Damn Skippy!	Scruffy Rumbler	Nov 2012	#28
It's an entitlement	Canuckistanian	Nov 2012	#32
Unfortunately the pigs did to the word entitlement the same thing they did to liberal. And for that	jillan	Nov 2012	#86
Go Jillan	sheshe2	Nov 2012	#33
But that's only if you accept their demonizing of the word. Something IS an entitlement because we	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#49
Dems can on occasion be wrong too. nt	Live and Learn	Nov 2012	#62
No, really?	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#96
Actually, you got it wrong.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#36
Kicked	SoapBox	Nov 2012	#38
The semantics don't matter so long as people understand how the program works.	harmonicon	Nov 2012	#42
I think you're dead wrong about that. There really are such things as magic words.	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#48
I get that that works, but I'm against doing it.	harmonicon	Nov 2012	#92
I'd be against it if I thought the education thing would work. Too many people just don't want a	Dark n Stormy Knight	Nov 2012	#97
Honestly, yes, I would rather lose than sacrifice my principles. (nt)	harmonicon	Nov 2012	#98
paying for others is how you pay for yourself, and a significant percent of retirees continue to	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#55
Social Security is a retirement plan	Fearless	Nov 2012	#64
"ben-e-fit"... kick n rec! nt	stlsaxman	Nov 2012	#78
Did you know the word entitled is in the 1935 SS law 9 times?	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#121
Yes- i would suppose it is. because we are "entitled" to the benefits.	stlsaxman	Nov 2012	#138
I'm entitled to my social security and Medicare benefits.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#79
EARNED benefit.	unblock	Nov 2012	#81
It's a benefit that we are entitled to.	Ganja Ninja	Nov 2012	#87
Isn't Entitlement in the name of the law when it was first passed back in the 30s?	sammytko	Nov 2012	#88
Entitled is in the 1935 law 9 times	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#118
It is an "Earned Entitlement". I bought it, I paid for it, I dam sure am entitled to it.	1-Old-Man	Nov 2012	#90
Rich people are entitled	libodem	Nov 2012	#91
i think you might want to look up what entitlement means...	dionysus	Nov 2012	#94
You infer the author has a lack of understanding when it comes to the definition of the word	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#119
To which you are ENTITLED.	Sekhmets Daughter	Nov 2012	#95
Here here!	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#99
SO the fact that entitled is in the 1935 law 9 times doersnt stop you from not thinking?	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#102
How about calling it an investment?	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#108
How about if democrats loudly make the case that it is a workers' entitlement, because workers	HiPointDem	Nov 2012	#111
Except it's not an investment.	Recursion	Nov 2012	#113
I'm in my late 20's and not holding my breath on that	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#123
Actually if you're in you're 20s, it will be in great shape for you	Recursion	Nov 2012	#125
I think you have misunderstood what "entitlement" means	Recursion	Nov 2012	#112
Such logic and clarity, and a souind legal foundation too.	FogerRox	Nov 2012	#116
Didn't Lawrence O'Donnell just call it Socialism?	AntiFascist	Nov 2012	#129
Wait, I pay for it????? Everytime a childfree conversation comes up on DU I'm told	RB TexLa	Nov 2012	#132
i don't collect entitlements with you. n/t	dionysus	Nov 2012	#142

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