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Response to CaptJasHook (Original post)

strength of conservative ideas? Can you list some good conservative ideas, please? NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 #1
Conservative or conservative? TalkingDog Nov 2012 #5
Obamacare. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #6
Yup nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #11
Privatized, for-profit healthcare is a shitty idea n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #18
+1000 truebluegreen Nov 2012 #32
Well, it WAS better than nothing for me. MoonchildCA Nov 2012 #126
Say what you will about the Affordable Care Act. It helped the parents of the kid who drums in my calimary Nov 2012 #190
I Love it! BobbyBoring Nov 2012 #500
My son is covered until he is 31 1/2. Humana, I think. MissMarple Nov 2012 #545
But better than nothing is still not good. And what about those millions for whom Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #303
ObamaCare Is Good.. It's saving Lives and making lives Easier. Cha Nov 2012 #340
No, it isn't. It does suck less, but that is not good, and you didn't answer the question. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #383
You're right..ObamaCare isn't just "good" ..it's a GREAT Foundation! LOVE IT! Cha Nov 2012 #390
That's not what was written, and you still haven't answered the question. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #401
Both my kids (20,22) have preexisting conditions, but can be on my health ins until 26. AAO Nov 2012 #440
What about the millions who won't be helped right now? BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #515
Not the topic. When Sekhmets Daughter and I started this it was in response to the idea of Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #541
And "nothing" is exactly billh58 Nov 2012 #563
Do any of you people ever actually read what is written? You're like the 5th Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #564
Believe me when I say billh58 Nov 2012 #565
Condescending? Yes. "Freeper"!? You've got to be kidding. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #566
I did not call billh58 Nov 2012 #568
Don't worry, I don't alert on my own behalf. I couldn't care less what name someone calls me. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #570
I think that we billh58 Nov 2012 #571
I think we might be the same person. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #572
Perfection can only be acheived thru progress. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #487
Perfection cannot be achieved at all, and nobody is asking for perfection. But like the other person Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #493
The "perfection" you wish for is government sponsered single payer national health care. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #524
You're the only one talking about perfection here, and single payer will not be perfect either. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #542
It is the first step... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #74
yep heaven05 Nov 2012 #134
We need to be realistic about these issues.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #139
It leaves millions in an even more toxic environment. One idea being not quite as bad as another Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #170
Agreed, but we cannot be blind to the real problems within the system Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #174
Right. The real problem being that we have nobody working for us. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #204
He self-identifies as a Blue Dog Democrat.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #252
That's not what I said. This thread is about the asinine notion that we need blend two completely Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #274
Got it... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #278
Yet CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #298
Another bankrupt notion you are using to distract from the bad idea you wrote in the OP. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #313
I had to think about this for a bit. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #442
Good comment ! Republicans are skilled and ruthless with messaging. Their lack of morality adds Maineman Nov 2012 #518
Exactly on point... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #529
On the money and very well written. go west young man Nov 2012 #522
You're right to worry about the republicans taking Democratic positions away, but the answer Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #544
Perhaps we are talking at cross purposes here...just a bit. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #549
Long reply on several points and questions; Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #569
Thanks! Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #575
Compromise is asinine? RitchieRich Nov 2012 #526
Oh really? Tens of millions of us are forced to live without any representation in what is Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #543
You are really negative for no apparent reason, convince us you're not a troll. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #547
You have a mouse in your pocket? Who is this us, and how do you suppose that I Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #548
Thug u r xtraxritical Nov 2012 #559
Exactly the response I expected, and yes I am. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #560
Neither Social Security or Medicare were incrementally introduced programs Melinda Nov 2012 #147
I said Democratic congresses expanded the system.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #181
You said "introduced incrementally". They were not. Melinda Nov 2012 #198
Medicare took YEARS to become what it is today BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #207
This issue is "increments". Take a look at the legislative history: Melinda Nov 2012 #232
You are thikng process.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #237
OR BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #247
Sorry... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #267
I so depise this game of one-upsmanship so many wish to play on DU. Melinda Nov 2012 #284
Ah, okay, that explains it then. :-) Melinda Nov 2012 #294
I agree about single payer, whole heartedly. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #315
The people covered by social security was increased incrementally... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #236
Yes, they were. See? We can agree, lol. ;-) Melinda Nov 2012 #297
We probably always did...and didn't know it. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #431
What Social Security was NOT was a mandate that people buy retirement plans from Wall Street n/t eridani Nov 2012 #414
Are you talking about 401Ks? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #430
No, just saying that SocSec was proudly a GOVERNMENT program right from the beginning eridani Nov 2012 #458
Yes... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #505
That's a good point about the people caught in the middle davidpdx Nov 2012 #467
And so ignorant, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #506
And now it's time for step 2, right? grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #489
Depends on what you want. :-) Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #507
IMHO, if, in 4 years, everyone had access to a public medical plan grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #538
Sure... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #540
Well said BobbyBoring Nov 2012 #502
Which has caused us long term grief.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #508
I live in section 8 housing and brokechris Nov 2012 #583
What state? Because I think that lies at the heart of the matter... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #585
+2000 sarcasmo Nov 2012 #192
+1000s (n/t) bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #213
Only for people that can afford it. Those of us in poverty will get Medicaid... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #63
Your heart should bleed for the middle class.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #123
yes, pushed into poverty or shitty jobs newspeak Nov 2012 #241
I'm with you. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #254
The middle-class benefits as much or more from tax payments bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #243
It is just as unfair Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #265
Good grief Oilwellian Nov 2012 #322
Do you know what defines the middle class? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #325
You should post some of their stories, JoeyT Nov 2012 #397
Really, have you been poor all of your life? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #403
My reading comprehension is fine: JoeyT Nov 2012 #412
I see your point, and perhaps I could have made mine more clearly.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #429
Thats not a good idea. Its simply what we got stuck with after caving in to Repukes. Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #142
I think the point is that it isn't any one ideology or mix of ideologies that is good, but... LancetChick Nov 2012 #22
Presumably, that argument only works if you enlightenment Nov 2012 #42
That, sir, is reflexive crap. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #53
What utter hogwash. 99Forever Nov 2012 #67
I agree brush Nov 2012 #78
Adopting the enemies failed tactics CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #83
Do you want to get progressive measures through . . . brush Nov 2012 #95
Again, CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #118
Republicans use all the tools at their disposal LuvLoogie Nov 2012 #159
Agreed brush Nov 2012 #186
You're better at this than I CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #211
What deal is the President offering? Any deal including even a mention of SS in the same sentence sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #550
That is something that should be reiterated to our elected representatives. LuvLoogie Nov 2012 #552
Yes, exactly. This cannot be said enough. Eg, in the debates, Romney told the biggest lie sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #554
who adopted them? Obama ran a clean campaign and did not LIE about his record wordpix Nov 2012 #365
Agreed. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #446
I don't presume shit. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #79
Clue #1 99Forever Nov 2012 #90
Are you going to mention Nazis next? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #106
we heaven05 Nov 2012 #149
You'd do better to defend your mistake by expecting people to support th spirit of your message, not ancianita Nov 2012 #530
hilarious RitchieRich Nov 2012 #528
you heaven05 Nov 2012 #136
And you... 99Forever Nov 2012 #195
Nice CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #212
You actually think I'm.. 99Forever Nov 2012 #224
It is obvious CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #235
OOOHHHHH! heaven05 Nov 2012 #244
If you are from the Tea Party... 99Forever Nov 2012 #251
hey heaven05 Nov 2012 #264
Now who is being obtuse? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #282
You are. 99Forever Nov 2012 #364
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #355
Nice thing to say to a vet on Veteran's Day. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #258
That's ok... 99Forever Nov 2012 #353
For what? nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #409
Oh heaven05 Nov 2012 #561
I'm not a sir, for one. enlightenment Nov 2012 #369
Your OP was about listening to others and things not being black and white cui bono Nov 2012 #492
Talk about reflexive crap!! Er, reflective. Looks bad from here Captain. WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #516
Government can sometimes waste money gravity Nov 2012 #48
Yep CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #102
Welfare reform in 1996 made "Working Class Poor" a large demographic. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #483
I don't see any specifics in your posts, just vague ideology. WCLinolVir Nov 2012 #514
Have you ever worked in the federal government or a large corporation? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #263
True Smith capitalism Dash87 Nov 2012 #60
Amen CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #158
yeah, as long as someone newspeak Nov 2012 #289
Read the book. And enforcing actual ethical standards in the real world would be far more effective Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #296
A.) Not a conservative idea at all, rather a means to reach an egalitarian society. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #283
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Nov 2012 #73
We can remind them of fiscally responsible Republicans like Eisenhower RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #161
Conservation is a conservative idea. Don't confuse Ts for conservatives. Ts are cons. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #169
Verification of progress is a conservative idea. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #285
Great idea, CaptJasHook! Let's compromise!!! wellspring Nov 2012 #395
Thanks, now I don't have to type all that! Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #422
I think the conservative emphasis on smaller government has value except that it is warped by Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #399
Yes, but that's not what today's cons want. They're fine with billions wasted on unnecessary defense Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #423
*** HI THERE... I address the OP.... 6502 Nov 2012 #491
I can't think of any modern conservative ideas myself. RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #525
thank you nt hockeynut57 Nov 2012 #2
gee datasuspect Nov 2012 #3
Compromise is a two-way street. sadbear Nov 2012 #4
Agreed CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #30
And John Boehner zinnisking Nov 2012 #408
Which is exactly what the Obama administration truebluegreen Nov 2012 #38
Isn't it wonderful CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #51
Label eachother? Raffi Ella Nov 2012 #69
Your point? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #120
The democratic party is massively broad in viewpoint. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #299
Ah, no. If they vote with Republicans, ... Prana69 Nov 2012 #463
The Republicans don't have any (good) ideas truebluegreen Nov 2012 #386
If you don't like labels I would suggest you edit the word "purists" out of your OP Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #468
OUCH! bvar22 Nov 2012 #579
Ha ha, Obama is many things to many people nolabels Nov 2012 #214
"On edit: now the spell checker didn't work correctly". You got your point across. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #304
Yes, and deciding whether to take too much or take it all is not compromise, it is capitulation. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #302
Conservatives have ideas, but they're all terrible & oppressive. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #7
What, like the EPA? Methinks a Republican President signed off on that. nt mwooldri Nov 2012 #84
That was a LONG time ago. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Nov 2012 #110
It doesn't matter what the devolved Republican did. Fact remains, the EPA was a Republican BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #208
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Nov 2012 #288
Well, the question was what good Republican ideas were there BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #311
But didn't originate it. It was his reaction to one aspect of a movement that threatened Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #308
NOT A CONSERVATIVE. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #344
And I think there are some things no real Democrat would ever "compromise" on - forestpath Nov 2012 #8
If you feel insulted, that is your choice. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #50
The whole point of your post was to be insulting. forestpath Nov 2012 #62
No kidding. This post was deliberately insulting. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #87
What? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #131
Ah, then you do idolize the republican party. Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #164
This message was self-deleted by its author Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #166
I am a progressive. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #217
Your presumed understanding Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #479
Actually, the left can.That's also an attempt to avoid using all tools in the Left's bigger tool box ancianita Nov 2012 #533
I call BS CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #128
Aw, you call BS. There you go again with the insults. forestpath Nov 2012 #183
Nice logic trap CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #219
Don't put words in my mouth. And don't call me a peach. Your tactics remind me of somebody. forestpath Nov 2012 #279
THERE IT IS: 20-30 YOs are going to be bankrupted? LOL WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #432
Suddenly CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #448
Social Security has a 75 year planning horizon PETRUS Nov 2012 #456
2086. The sky is not falling... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #527
And you are... Baker, Stiglitz or Krugman? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #523
AMEN. ALL THE WAY. ancianita Nov 2012 #531
For starters, we could billh58 Nov 2012 #562
nevermind. ancianita Nov 2012 #532
Medicare needs some major adjustments, I'll concede. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #551
that's heaven05 Nov 2012 #154
Personally, I won't ever compromise on the environment, PERIOD Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #122
I agree. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #450
I can state some things that a democrat should never compromise on. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #310
Tell it to the OP, not me. forestpath Nov 2012 #382
Conservative "ideas" are known to be utterly wrong. alarimer Nov 2012 #9
Are you seriously suggesting that all liberal ideas work? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #34
Are you seriously suggesting that conservative ideas work? Zoeisright Nov 2012 #81
I notice you cherry-pick CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #153
You're A Fan Of State's Rights? Paladin Nov 2012 #202
I am a fan CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #222
The local level is still government. RC Nov 2012 #553
Wow, so we should feel bad? geardaddy Nov 2012 #248
4/20 +1 WheelWalker Nov 2012 #475
Finally you come up with lists... ljm2002 Nov 2012 #249
Is this an invitation to discussion CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #314
It is not an invitation to discussion... ljm2002 Nov 2012 #354
Did liberals oppose Theo Roosevelt's environmental stewardship idea at the time? Do they now? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #417
I just posted in another thread on this topic. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #462
Wow. By not implementing your own OP advice, you're not helping your credibility here. ancianita Nov 2012 #534
Winner! You get the Perfect Response Award! nt. druidity33 Nov 2012 #389
Ugh. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #280
No, small government is not a good idea bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #293
I knew CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #327
You say, "I knew I shouldn't put issues up as the Devil's advocate." Is that what you were doing AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #359
A stong family unit?? Ineeda Nov 2012 #419
Do you believe Colorado and Washington should be drawn into a legal battle? Socal31 Nov 2012 #394
Now I know you are full of it LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #335
Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #360
"If you want to have a conservative/liberal dialogue, with conservatives such as you describe, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #377
Dammit! druidity33 Nov 2012 #393
Impressive. 99Forever Nov 2012 #441
+1 Liberalynn Nov 2012 #443
Excellent argument. Thanks for this. ancianita Nov 2012 #535
So drone strikes are a progressive idea now? Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #343
Ugh. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #501
How about not putting so much money into the defense budget . . . brush Nov 2012 #112
Modern Conservative ideas are. But. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #317
Thanks to progressive Ida Tarbell, socialist Upton Sinclair, preservationist John Muir... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #444
"Through clever campaigning we managed to get 332 electoral votes": "clever "? "managed to get"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10
The Obama campaign said it themselves. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #43
Given the difficult economy and some of the people that voted for Obama the first time, a bluestate10 Nov 2012 #323
Obama "squeaked by!" 332 is only a landslide when Money BooBoo does it, doncha know! MADem Nov 2012 #113
The OP knows the real truth, Karl is the only one with the real numbers! Dragonfli Nov 2012 #407
Buncha lazy takers 'n socialists, we! MADem Nov 2012 #471
I'll support compromise when the Repubs start acting like a legitimate party again. reformist2 Nov 2012 #12
I agree CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #37
Yes, I don't like the punitive nature of some on our side - there is such a thing as 'sore winners.' reformist2 Nov 2012 #49
Well the president tried last time Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #121
Republicans knew that even if the cooperated, getting the economy healthy in four years bluestate10 Nov 2012 #328
This. wickerwoman Nov 2012 #76
+100 Myrina Nov 2012 #104
You can't negotiate with terrorists RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #179
Right on the money, that. nt MADem Nov 2012 #481
Kudos tyne Nov 2012 #13
I am just curious solara Nov 2012 #14
How about NOT letting Republicans have a majority in the House of Representives? randome Nov 2012 #39
Gerrymandering CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #57
Republicans were successful in Gerrymandering because the liberal purists sat on their asses, bluestate10 Nov 2012 #339
I see Libertarian candidates, too cprise Nov 2012 #513
Then campaign to end gerrymandering cprise Nov 2012 #499
Florida and Virginia were a good start. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #40
So you know, this is a mandate nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #116
I see Virginia staying blue and Florida becoming reliably Blue as long as democrats govern well. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #342
I have yet to see any movement on the right Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #15
Top Repub leaders talking about immigration reform and taxing the rich. kstewart33 Nov 2012 #20
Wow, they mentioned two whole topics but without plans! Oh, and about "taxing the rich"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #26
In the real world where I live nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #124
Even some leaders on the religious right are talking immigration reform. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #350
Thank you. kstewart33 Nov 2012 #16
But if you start out in the middle the compromise will be on the right ThomThom Nov 2012 #92
True, but the first step in compromise is both sides looking for some common ground. kstewart33 Nov 2012 #146
I total disagree, that is where compromise begins the process begins ThomThom Nov 2012 #218
But it's impossible to take that first step... ljm2002 Nov 2012 #255
Given the thumping they've received, I'd wager that the Repubs are looking for some common ground. kstewart33 Nov 2012 #356
So far, publicly, they have not admitted to receiving a thumping... ljm2002 Nov 2012 #363
As noted by centrists Mann and Ornstein in "Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem." Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #425
Here is the problem nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #17
Thank you. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #61
Can you inform us which "modern conservative ideas" Rachel is touting? bullwinkle428 Nov 2012 #19
That's not what she said. kstewart33 Nov 2012 #24
She didn't say shit about Ted Nugent, Mitt Romney and Pat Robertson, though. MADem Nov 2012 #109
I think you made my point for me. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #165
I don't think they're salient to any point about "compromise." And elections DO have consequences. MADem Nov 2012 #480
Perhaps something like McCain-Finegold Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #300
Three (relatively) recent bills from or with support of conservatives in part Sgent Nov 2012 #385
We have done nothing but compromise bowens43 Nov 2012 #21
The Hegelian dialectic is WITHIN the non-Republican sphere. cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #23
Wow someone seems a little upset on the mandate. aandegoons Nov 2012 #25
Cut to the chase. I like it! ;-) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #28
If this was a mandate CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #65
Yeah, right. The Democrats are "obstructing" the GOP from dismantling SS, Medicare, Medicaid... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #82
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #173
"They sound funny with your accent"? Pray tell, what does that mean? Explain, please.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #184
Contrarianism just for the sake of it doesn't go over well here. brush Nov 2012 #119
In a post CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #172
They did it was a huge loss for America. aandegoons Nov 2012 #291
Excuse me Generic Other Nov 2012 #27
Yep CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #66
I felt targeted by this statement Generic Other Nov 2012 #85
nice lecture elehhhhna Nov 2012 #29
Yes we do have a mandate to raise taxes on the rich dsc Nov 2012 #31
Re-read the OP nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #41
rofl. Raffi Ella Nov 2012 #33
You must have missed when the true GOP conservatives were hijacked by the ultra-far-right.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #35
You miss the point CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #71
I rarely miss any points, and in your case, I'm reading exactly what you wrote in your OP... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #105
Then why is Obama still president? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #238
Then you get steamrolled because theaocp Nov 2012 #107
"Extremists on the left" Hissyspit Nov 2012 #270
I was like you Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #36
That is why they got whooped. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #72
:) And let us not go into denial Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #97
So we should follow them? jeff47 Nov 2012 #132
I am unsure CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #319
You've failed to cite any non-extreme views. jeff47 Nov 2012 #346
They got whooped because the people you lumped into a "tea-party" esq mentally got out the vote! MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #464
Your compromise speech would be better given to the Republicans NV Whino Nov 2012 #44
You can't compromise with a Party that has written off 47% of the nation KansDem Nov 2012 #45
The Republicans signed a pledge to not work with Starry Messenger Nov 2012 #46
a serious question - The traditional conservative movement may have had some worthwhile ideas Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #47
The GOP has demonstrated time and again that they refuse to negotiate or compromise magical thyme Nov 2012 #52
+1 LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #281
Very well stated. I think it's very important that Dems get out there and sell the hell out of Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #494
so we should be prepared to cheer hfojvt Nov 2012 #54
I wish I could remember the last time a Liberal Idea was implemented Doctor_J Nov 2012 #55
I would just like to celebrate for a few more days bluestateguy Nov 2012 #56
Never take a message board seriously. bigwillq Nov 2012 #58
"listening and adjusting" that is your recommendation?! adjusting to what, exactly? amborin Nov 2012 #59
Adjusting to Social Security and Medicare cuts, silly..... Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #75
yep, that's the amborin Nov 2012 #96
and extension of 90% of the Bush tax cuts too hfojvt Nov 2012 #133
Yep. This smells like advertising to me. /nt Marr Nov 2012 #260
+1 leftstreet Nov 2012 #416
the problem is their best ideas are not based in reality LSK Nov 2012 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author brush Nov 2012 #68
Nah. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #70
so when does the real left get a chance to speak? ThomThom Nov 2012 #77
When we elect more Progressive candidates. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #88
Oh, now you want MORE PROGRESSIVES, do you? Because they are MORE CONSERVATIVE? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #100
No, CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #242
I was responding to the post which was about DU being too progressive ThomThom Nov 2012 #115
Please, tell us more about these wonderful conservative ideas you are promoting here. Zorra Nov 2012 #80
Do you want a list? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #89
Yes. Zoeisright Nov 2012 #91
Just two or three quickies would suffice. nt Zorra Nov 2012 #93
Deep Thoughts, from Ted Pantshitter Nugent, Money BooBoo, and "Hellfire Patsy" Robertson! MADem Nov 2012 #117
Yes. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #148
Link to stonecutter357 Nov 2012 #155
Well, time's up, I gotta go. That is the correct answer, btw: zip. zilch. nothing. nada. Zorra Nov 2012 #271
Short Version: I'm So Much Better Than You. Paladin Nov 2012 #94
You win the thread with that comment! nt MADem Nov 2012 #99
+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #111
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #266
See post # 270. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #272
Nice straw man argument. nt Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #537
my ..... madrchsod Nov 2012 #268
+1000!!! Well done, brevity is the soul of wit! n/t ljm2002 Nov 2012 #273
Well, the examples you provide in your premise just don't cut the mustard. MADem Nov 2012 #98
Agree completely. N/T freemay20 Nov 2012 #101
Are they DUers or DUINOers? nt valerief Nov 2012 #103
You seem to have a poor memory laundry_queen Nov 2012 #108
The nebulous DU, in general? Quantess Nov 2012 #114
LOL trumad Nov 2012 #125
Listen, she is, but we need at LEAST a week to gloat. Lest you forget "get over it" of 2000. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #127
good for you heaven05 Nov 2012 #129
I'm seriously out of the loop cause I don't recall Rachel saying this, & I can't find it on web Melinda Nov 2012 #130
My guess is that the OP is referencing Rachel's excellent day-after episode. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #141
Thanks Will, I'll give it a view asap. :-) Melinda Nov 2012 #150
Pretty much the best Rachel opening I've ever seen. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #151
Yes that's it. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #185
Do you think OP is misinterpreting Rachel's point? Hissyspit Nov 2012 #287
No WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #333
OK. I totally disagree with you. Below is text of what Rachel actually said. Zorra Nov 2012 #573
I Agree Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #135
DU lost the Congress in 2010? WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #137
I didn't intend CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #341
I hear you. I only hang out on DU during presidential elections or political events (Terry Schiavo) Hamlette Nov 2012 #138
i'm on rachel's side. BUT, republicans are no longer republicans or loyal. pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #140
But reasonable people with those conservative ideas you mention aren't running the ship..... marmar Nov 2012 #143
And here it is: the predictable, laughable corporate-echoing reply. woo me with science Nov 2012 #144
Good list. This also deserves it's own OP. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #221
Thank you, Woo Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #357
Thank you for that. I think many have lost even the ability to absorb that though. Bonobo Nov 2012 #413
+1 Liberalynn Nov 2012 #433
Recommending this post #144 by woo me with science bvar22 Nov 2012 #460
Reminds me of one of my favorite DU Taglines ever: OrwellwasRight Nov 2012 #476
The 1% has the money to pay hordes of persuasive corporatist propagandists to spew Zorra Nov 2012 #578
"Conservative values" is an oxymoron. McCamy Taylor Nov 2012 #145
Have you ever dealt with these people personally? RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #152
"lump all of my fellow Americans" -- no, but we can much more easily do that with the Repub NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #156
Glad you have the resources to choose to grow. Millions don't because of too many jtuck004 Nov 2012 #157
Conservatives DO have good ideas. Stonepounder Nov 2012 #160
That has always my experience as well Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #193
Yes, the RNC has sold its soul. Stonepounder Nov 2012 #309
Puleez! AlbertCat Nov 2012 #199
Sure but let's not "compromise" before the other side has even made an offer... jimlup Nov 2012 #162
A slightly amusing OP Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #163
Oh get off it. OP is not trying to shut down discussion, but the purists try their damnedest. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #175
Where do I rail against opinions in my OP CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #178
Conservative sheep want to take us back to the stone age. Larry Ogg Nov 2012 #167
Um, actually, we have WASTED enough time, blood and treasure trying to play nice leeroysphitz Nov 2012 #168
That is what I feel CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #180
I didn't read the OP as suggesting Democrats play nice, but that they play smart maui902 Nov 2012 #201
What are we "batshit crazy progressive purists" trying to "jam down their throats"? pa28 Nov 2012 #171
It isn't about the policy CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #182
We should all learn to be more like third way Manny. pa28 Nov 2012 #200
ROFL! Way to cut through the bullshit. woo me with science Nov 2012 #191
Quick translation of OP: Jakes Progress Nov 2012 #176
Your thesis is flawed. blackspade Nov 2012 #177
With all due respect CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #196
Actually you are talking about me. blackspade Nov 2012 #276
Anyone who thnks that progressive issue junlies skip voting for any reason-- eridani Nov 2012 #436
Spot on! Prana69 Nov 2012 #461
I am curious to know what the "unchecked Liberal Future Dreams" that Live and Learn Nov 2012 #187
LOL CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #205
I must have missed those. Were they proposing it be mandatory for all? Live and Learn Nov 2012 #234
It takes lots of time and DEDICATION to shag everyone in town. Dragonfli Nov 2012 #398
I'll say. Shag, haven't heard that term in a long time. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #427
your straw man is some sort of dirty PCP addled hippy I gather Dragonfli Nov 2012 #396
Returning to a decentralized agrarian based culture is perhaps the only way to reverse ecological SubgeniusHasSlack Nov 2012 #580
I'm not a purist, but ProSense Nov 2012 #188
I DISAGREE zwyziec Nov 2012 #189
Thank you. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #203
I've read enough of your comments in this thread. Trashing....3...2...1....GONE!! nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #194
is this new framing memo? datasuspect Nov 2012 #197
Yeah CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #206
er datasuspect Nov 2012 #262
Dismissed CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #331
just make sure you take your shoes off datasuspect Nov 2012 #334
No. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #210
so when do the obstructionist repubs datasuspect Nov 2012 #259
holding conservative values and shoving those values down people's throats SemperEadem Nov 2012 #209
What if femrap Nov 2012 #215
Are you softening us up for a "compromise" on social security? TBF Nov 2012 #216
I'm just really tired of the gravedancing. Enough already. Flaxbee Nov 2012 #220
I see DU's purpose in the world differently. JBoy Nov 2012 #223
If that is the case CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #227
We also do outrage. JBoy Nov 2012 #239
They call themselves that, calling them by their chosen name is not derogatory Dragonfli Nov 2012 #406
Nice Idea but ... dtom67 Nov 2012 #225
"mandate, which there wasn't by the way?" librechik Nov 2012 #226
Only a mandate CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #231
when Han-nutty says he has changed his opinion on immigration, and Kristol on taxes, believe me librechik Nov 2012 #312
Yin, meet Yang :0) DonRedwood Nov 2012 #228
Social Security is not an issue to be giving in on UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #229
President and DEMS gave too much away to achieve a GRAND BARGAIN. CarmanK Nov 2012 #230
UNREC! MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #233
LOL CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #245
many of us are just DONE with trying to compromise with repugs who have to get their own way wordpix Nov 2012 #240
Then don't CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #250
I don't think that's what she was saying at all. Marr Nov 2012 #246
You're right CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #269
Weak-Lame-Useless Teamster Jeff Nov 2012 #253
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #256
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #257
Are you soft in the head? CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #290
No one is putting words in your mouth. Your own words are sufficient. You said, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #324
Sorry, I will NOT tolerate a party full of racists, homophobes, and misogynists Hugabear Nov 2012 #261
All right, I am wrong. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #275
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #301
Thank you. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #316
Being disingenuous, are you? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #336
Are you trying CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #349
He doesn't have to "flex" it. bvar22 Nov 2012 #415
Well said. I am one that thinks the strongest democratic party is one that allows in an bluestate10 Nov 2012 #277
Here Comes Barrack-O-Claus Song ErikJ Nov 2012 #286
I John2 Nov 2012 #292
I'm not talking about you. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #320
I think Obama won because voters recognized his attempts to compromise graywarrior Nov 2012 #295
I shudder to think... kentuck Nov 2012 #305
This was just mentioned yesterday just1voice Nov 2012 #306
Not practical. Barack_America Nov 2012 #307
Good points. I'm pretty far left, and am guilty as you say. loudsue Nov 2012 #318
I rec.ed this OP for this reason only chknltl Nov 2012 #321
Sorry, but the far left is needed to counterbalance the far right. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #326
LOL. I would never expect an Alaskan to CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #329
Believe me, Alaska's progressives have to fight harder than progressives Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #370
Third Way Bullshit whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #330
At last CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #332
There were 329 posts before this one.... Prana69 Nov 2012 #466
Fix Bush's right wing swing FIRST. Then compromise. Sheesh. RedCloud Nov 2012 #337
Yeah, how dare Democrats advote for the Party platform on DU? TransitJohn Nov 2012 #338
They haven't offered any new ideas in a long time. Liberalynn Nov 2012 #345
+100000 RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #378
speaking of Hegelian dialectic - if both sides are calling for cuts in people-oriented programs - Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #347
"...hear their (Republicans) best arguments..." progressoid Nov 2012 #348
What a load of horseshit. 1-Old-Man Nov 2012 #351
Why thank you CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #358
LOLOLOLOLOL WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #517
No, she's wrong. The "conservatives" have long been off the cliff's edge. Norrin Radd Nov 2012 #352
So Obama JEB Nov 2012 #361
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #362
100% correct!!! zorro1 Nov 2012 #366
It seems that strategy is not every Progressive's strong suit. CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #368
"The Progressive purists took control of the boards" = in an alternative universe. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #367
+1 Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #374
This poster is right, but... Phillyindy Nov 2012 #371
+100000000 RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #380
Oh, one more thing before I leave this fascinating thread... Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #372
Great post! JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #373
Rachel was asking for a return to IDEAS from both sides. DirkGently Nov 2012 #375
There's always some danger of overreaching. moondust Nov 2012 #376
REMEMBER: RACHEL SPELLED IT OUT. TheAmbivalante Nov 2012 #379
In the meantime CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #381
I don't see it as cannibalism TheAmbivalante Nov 2012 #384
TheAmbivalante, best post of this ridiculous thread. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2012 #509
Completely agree! bullwinkle428 Nov 2012 #546
Let's agree to disagree. strongly disagree. robinlynne Nov 2012 #387
Okay CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #421
Recommended. The first difficulty is to see that the problem is difficult. WheelWalker Nov 2012 #388
screw that idea PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #391
Alrighty, which group are you willing to compromise away? JoeyT Nov 2012 #392
How about I compromise me CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #418
Weird how everyone gives a little JoeyT Nov 2012 #426
very well said Liberalynn Nov 2012 #447
If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, bvar22 Nov 2012 #400
+1. robinlynne Nov 2012 #428
As always, I totally agree with you. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #434
Yay! whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #438
Single best post of this thread. Melinda Nov 2012 #451
+1 Zorra Nov 2012 #574
I agree. Great post! loyalsister Nov 2012 #402
The problem is the dynamic we've been forced into. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #404
Or you use Aikido CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #445
Never did Aikido. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #453
I liked Carville's comment CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #459
Wow! The Old Creak Nov 2012 #405
K & R! nt cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #410
There are very few actual conservatives left.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #411
Sort of CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #420
Yeah,....as an "emergency tax cut" for the rich.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #424
history is not forwarded by the WRONG ideas however... JCMach1 Nov 2012 #435
Welcome to DU. My post count is immense .... nearly all of it pre-2008. Buzz Clik Nov 2012 #437
Mine is bigger than yours. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #485
Yeah, well, I took a four year break. Buzz Clik Nov 2012 #556
Well, you were supposed to laugh, too. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #557
I did laugh ... just off script. ;) Buzz Clik Nov 2012 #558
I agree wholeheartedly Flatpicker Nov 2012 #439
Right, let's start making deals with folks want see Obama swinging from a tree! nonoxy9 Nov 2012 #449
Yeah, because that is exactly what I said. (O.o) CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #452
Agreed. ReasonableToo Nov 2012 #454
Yeah, what a terrible idea.. iamthebandfanman Nov 2012 #455
Yeah, CaptJasHook Nov 2012 #457
Obama tried this the first time around on HealthCare Dems50State Nov 2012 #465
I dont agree. You say, "But now I see the same old tired intransigent purists rhett o rick Nov 2012 #469
I concur, but we can't compromise with madness. FreeBC Nov 2012 #470
A few thoughts on your post davidpdx Nov 2012 #472
Fine sentiment that is not realistically applicable in present circumstances TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #473
Sorry but Fuck This. MessiahRp Nov 2012 #474
[Uuuuh, no. You're totally wrong...] Let me explain this, CaptJasHook... 6502 Nov 2012 #477
! HCE SuiGeneris Nov 2012 #484
Nicely done. Puglover Nov 2012 #520
The strength of liberal ideas isn't promoted by embodying compromise. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #478
This carcass has ben picked clean. n/t rudycantfail Nov 2012 #482
At this point in the game, defacto7 Nov 2012 #486
You don't have to argue the republicans ideas FOR them, now, do you? grahamhgreen Nov 2012 #488
Purists? davidthegnome Nov 2012 #490
All things considered... davidthegnome Nov 2012 #495
Nice sentiment, if only doccraig67 Nov 2012 #496
You want us to pre-compromise our values before they even come to a debate cprise Nov 2012 #497
Another thought: Those who believe government is necessarily Evil cprise Nov 2012 #498
Let's consider what happened in 2009-2010. Pab Sungenis Nov 2012 #503
Don't expect elevated discussion at DU. This is a partisan website. NC_Nurse Nov 2012 #504
"Unlike me you're all hateful idealogues. Discuss!" n/t GOTV Nov 2012 #510
MSNBC: “We’re closer to Fox than we’ve ever been” Ratings cprise Nov 2012 #511
MSNBC was resurrected on the backs of progressives and liberals. Fla Dem Nov 2012 #521
Gotta kick this one kamron Nov 2012 #512
ideological purity is not a problem for the Democrats Enrique Nov 2012 #519
"Centrism" & "Compromise"!!!!! bvar22 Nov 2012 #536
Yes, but it does seem to have gotten past an awful lot of others. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #555
Yes. According to the Third Way, anyone who believes that democracy is "Government Of, Zorra Nov 2012 #567
I communicate with RegieRocker Nov 2012 #539
I am all up for the grand bargain Taverner Nov 2012 #576
So it is okay with you to "bargain" away social security and Medicare? djean111 Nov 2012 #577
No - we're talking about something else then Taverner Nov 2012 #582
Well, what else do Republicans want to bargain about? djean111 Nov 2012 #584
Amen. renie408 Nov 2012 #581
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